On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 8:41 PM, Peter Gervai <[email protected]> wrote: > On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 17:50, Andre Engels <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I'm not sure whether I am though. This message plus the discussion >> that was the base of it has cost me 50 Euros in things I broke >> throwing them through my room, plus a severe loss of feeling of >> self-worth. I don't think that's worth it. > > By the way I'm sure there are several of us who agree in Jefrrey being > very much off limits, offending, and doing it at the wrong place, > which is usually shortened as "being a troll". > > Wikipedia, wikimedia and the people around here are working with, > based on and most definitely agree with open content and other free > licenses, the whole project lives of and based on them, so starting a > propaganda against it _HERE_ is definitely a very unwise and offending > move. Without much thinking it's obvious that it will generate strong > emotions, harsh attacks, and lots of ad hominem debates, and nothing, > really nothing good will be created as a result. > > Not accepting the fact that people who create open content are going > to fight against businesses who try to destroy open content is a > clueless thing to do. Debating it is similarly clueless act. You do > not start debate someone's existence with him. > > I (among others) strongly agree in Jeffrey being moderated until he > realise that his propaganda really does not belong here. It is against > almost everybody's world view around here, and offending a whole > community with reasons we consider at best baseless is extremely > counterproductive. > > > And, as a sidenote, we're not pirates, robbers, murderers or rapers. > [And other artifically emotion-filled buzzwords supporting the > closed-content based businesses, pick your favourite.] We _create_ > open content. We _create_ copyrighted materials (and license them for > free). Jeffrey, among others, is using our products, our content. That > is what Creative Commons is about. To protect our interests, business > or other. And who are you, or anyone, to attack our interests based on > our own content...? > > And as a different sidenote: if you hate it, stop using it. Try to > live your life without using open source, open content. Go on. First, > stop using this list, because it is run on open source software, > running on open source servers. Then you may well unplug your internet > connection, since good chance is that you connect to one of such > servers. You mostly better stop using the web, since the servers are > open source by large. Stop email. You may even have to avoid some > mobile phones, Tv set top boxes, DVD players, music players, and so > on. Oh and avoid Wikipedia, and other Wikimedia content, and mostly > all wikis. Fortuinately you can eat and drink and breath. But avoid > computers since they'll surely pollute your business-based pureness > with open content filth. *smirk*
I first checked is he a board member of WM AU. Fortunately, he is not. I am agreed with everything, except that there are some of us who politically support free usage of copyrighted material. And I didn't know that Lessig supports it. Thanks to Ottava, I am positively changing my position toward Lessig. _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
