No, you seem to be misunderstanding. Let me make a clear that me questioning you on your beliefs and opinions in a respectful and neutral manner is not in any sense a personal attack. Also note that I specifically said I agree, we need to have conversations. I am not using any NPOV violations for "knee jerk reactions [and] refusing to converse about such issues". What I was pointing out is that to undermine the "action should be undertaken" argument, you used the example of en-wiki violating board-set policies, implying that en-wiki would somehow be exempt from any attempt to force it on the issue. That is categorically and obviously wrong.
On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 4:18 PM, Gerard Meijssen <[email protected]>wrote: > Hoi, > First of all, the problem is with this template being on the main page. > There is room for people to be of the opinion that insults to Muslims or > Islam is not acceptable. I agree with them on this however I do not agree > with them what they protest against. If they make their opinions known on > their profile pages, I do not consider that there is a problem. > > It is also neither their call nor your call if the Acehenese Wikipedia is > to > be closed. When a majority of the ace community are of this opinion they > have the options to leave, not to show pictures that depict Mohammed, fork > the project and continue localise MediaWiki for the Acehnese language. They > can not force a closure of the ace.wikipedia nor can they prevent people > from editing it. > > As to querying my position with regards to the NPOV, that is first of all > beside the point and secondly it can easily be considered a personal > attack. > I care about the values of our community and I care about this particular > policy. Apparent violation of the NPOV is however no excuse for knee jerk > reactions. It is no excuse for refusing to converse about such issues. Such > a refusal is how you make enemies out of people who are the closest we have > to friends in societies that are foreign to us. > Thanks, > GerardM > > On 16 July 2010 16:48, David Gerard <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On 16 July 2010 14:44, Gerard Meijssen <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > The Acehnese Wikipedia is a young project. They are entitled to their > > > mistakes. It is for this reason important that we first talk with them > > about > > > what it is that they do. We should not start talking TO them about what > > they > > > are to do. > > > The current talking TO them is not polite and will not lead to positive > > > results. It is similar as if I were to say to the English language > > community > > > that they have to change their way because their community consensus is > > > incompatible with WMF official board sanctioned policies. > > > > > > All of this is quite true. Discuss, don't tell. > > > > However: so far it hasn't even gotten to "talking to". It's just been > > noting that this is a blatant violation of NPOV and is highly > > problematic. > > > > And ultimately, NPOV is non-negotiable if the current contributors to > > ace:wp want it to stay a Wikimedia project. > > > > Do you have a problem with even noting this? Do you dispute this? > > > > > > - d. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > foundation-l mailing list > > [email protected] > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > > > _______________________________________________ > foundation-l mailing list > [email protected] > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
