Sure (and in reply to your off-list mail, it's fine, easily done). The questions seemed genuine and seeking a genuine explanation. If it's been covered elsewhere that's good enough.
FT2 On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 10:32 PM, Ryan Lomonaco <[email protected]>wrote: > FT2, > > Please let it go - I talked with Virgilio off-list yesterday; it sounds > like > he didn't mean to stir up a storm, and would rather this thread die. > > Thanks, > Ryan > > On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 3:23 PM, FT2 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > That won't help much. > > > > If I understand your email correctly, you want the information in order > to > > protest on pt.wiki - either about your name being used or about being > > blocked for mentioning other users' names. > > > > There are problems with this. > > > > 1. The thread started by saying it is inaccurate to use a tag line "the > > only person ruled by an arbcom under a real name (in the title)". Cases > > exist (eg enwiki Arbcom) > > 2. Each project is independent. What enwiki does may truthfully be > > different from ruwiki, ptwiki, dewiki. wikis can be very different and > > their > > internal decisions on these things can be compared but it is not going > to > > persuade anyone about pt.wiki, if you try and argue about events on > some > > other wiki. > > 3. Even on a single wiki, treatment may vary within context. For > example > > on enwiki a user may be blocked indefinitely for naming another user's > > real > > name, or an arbcom case may even be named after a real name. What is > the > > difference? In the first case the real name was not public, in the > > second > > case the real name was also their username. So a lot varies depending > on > > context and community. > > 4. You may be the only person dealt with under a real name *by > > pt-arbcom*. > > But nobody has said you were or weren't. > > > > Hope this helps? > > > > FT2 > > > > On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 7:37 PM, Virgilio A. P. Machado <[email protected] > > >wrote: > > > > > 1) No real names will be disclosed on this list on account of the > request > > > made. > > > > > > 2) No action is asked or expected. > > > > > > These two personal commitments are important before answering an > > > absolutely legitimate request for clarification: "why [is] this issue > > > of such [...] importance to the thread-creator." > > > > > > It is very important for this user. Most are now familiar with the > > > use of his real name by the pt.wiki arbcom. > > > > > > > > > > > > http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Conselho_de_arbitragem/Casos/2009-09-01_Virg%C3%ADlio_A._P._Machado > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_Discuss%C3%A3o:Conselho_de_arbitragem/Casos/2009-09-01_Virg%C3%ADlio_A._P._Machado > > > > > > That never bothered the user or the foregone decision to filter his > > > edits for infinity, a period that far exceeds his expected natural > > > life. The 53 irregularities that overshadowed the case bothered him a > > > great deal more. > > > > > > What is not so well known is that four months later, while quietly > > > working on a new subpage, after listing the real names of two users, > > > this was used against him and eventually led to him being blocked or > > > banned (depending on the page you look at) for infinity, by the same > > > administrator, bureaucrat, checkuser, and arbcom member (hopefully no > > > title was left out) that led the arbcom in the case using his real > name. > > > > > > It is very important for the pt.wiki. > > > > > > The governance of the pt.wiki is in such disrepair that this user > > > felt compelled to gather as much information as possible on a Meta > > > page. Soon, that work was under attack by the same user mentioned > > > above and one of his accomplices, and his now on hold as a user > subpage: > > > > > > > > > > > > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Vapmachado/Portuguese_Wikipedia_governance_issues > > > > > > > > > > > > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Vapmachado/Portuguese_Wikipedia_governance_issues > > > > > > This modest work was started in May 4, 2010, well before the > > > following reports on Meta: > > > > > > October 2010 - > > > > > > > > > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Sir_Lestaty_de_Lioncourt/Archive/October/2010 > > > > > > November 2010 - > > > > > > > > > http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Conselho_de_arbitragem/Casos/2010-12-01_Poss%C3%ADvel_abuso_em_verifica%C3%A7%C3%B5es > > > > > > > > > > > > http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_Discuss%C3%A3o:Conselho_de_arbitragem/Casos/2010-12-01_Poss%C3%ADvel_abuso_em_verifica%C3%A7%C3%B5es > > > > > > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Stewards'_noticeboard< > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Stewards%27_noticeboard> > > > > > > It is very important to the communities at large. > > > > > > Unaware of the existence of this essay > > > (http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Kylu/Essay and > > > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Kylu/Essay), this user > > > opened a request for comment on Meta on "What is public and > > > non-public personal information?" > > > ( > > > > > > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Public_or_non-public_personal_information > > > and > > > > > > > > > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Requests_for_comment/Public_or_non-public_personal_information > > > ) > > > which brought to the fore some of fears, tabus and misconceptions > > > that are quite widespread on Wikimedia projects. > > > > > > It is hoped that the above explanations fully justify the statement > > > that the user was interested in the information requested "For > > > reasons of the utmost importance, not only to this user but to the > > > communities at large." as it would provide more evidence of real > > > names being used, without leading to the blocking or banning of the > > > arbcoms that used them in the TITLE of a case. > > > > > > Due to the sensitivity of the matter, this user wishes to withdraw > > > his request, and apologizes for any anxiety he might have caused in > > > some members of this list. What happened to him is evidence enough. > > > If there are no further questions concerning this request, it will > > > now be considered closed. For inquires, opinions, and/or debate about > > > other matters mentioned above, both this user and the listed talk > > > pages are available to all. > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > Virgilio A. P. Machado (Vapmachado) > > > "Co-author" of "A civilized community" > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Vapmachado/Comment_draft > > > > > > > > > At 01:17 09-12-2010, you wrote: > > > >On the English Wikipedia, we generally try to avoid bringing editors' > > real > > > >names into decisions, unless the username is the real name. In the > > three > > > >years I've been an arbitrator, we have extended this courtesy even to > > some > > > >highly troublesome users. (Aficionadoes of the En-WP arbitration > pages > > > will > > > >recognize the "Mantanmoreland" and "MZMcBride 2" cases as examples.) > > > > > > > >I am not clear, however, on why this issue of such such importance to > > the > > > >thread-creator. > > > > > > > >Newyorkbrad > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > foundation-l mailing list > > > [email protected] > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > foundation-l mailing list > > [email protected] > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > > > > > > -- > [[User:Ral315]] > _______________________________________________ > foundation-l mailing list > [email protected] > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
