> On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 12:14 AM, James Alexander <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> I'm not sure I would say it like that (that they would simply stop >> responding at all) but I worry that the method at which discussion >> and criticism has developed is encouraging the growth of a culture where >> goes against the very thing we say we vocally fighting for. This >> is definitely not just a foundation-l thing and you're right to say it like >> that is a bit of a red herring and ignores the real issue... It is also >> something that I think has roots in all of the active >> aspects of the community.
on 2/18/11 8:08 PM, Samuel Klein at [email protected] wrote: > > James, this was a good post. We do need a more active focus on > kindness, effective skepticism, and constructive criticism. > > And I agree that the problem being expressed here (not MZM's comment > about transparency, which is valid and should be considered > separately) -- the universal trouble with people attacking one another > and making public spaces feel unsafe -- affects many parts of the > community. > > The fact that we associate "active Wikipedia work" on en:wp with AN/I > is indicative of the trend. That noticeboard is hardly relevant to > the work of most editors, lingering on conflicts of various sorts. > >> So frequently whenever someone opens their mouth they get bitten, regardless >> of what is happening the tenants of assuming good faith are just thrown out >> the window. > > This is where not having safe spaces to discuss what's going on limits > transparency... > > >> Maybe this is how I work but I feel like we want a culture where it is >> perfectly acceptable for someone to respond without all the data, for them >> to make mistakes and get corrected and have that debate and those arguments. > > So do I. To James: This is one of the most accurate, and articulate, descriptions of the present enWikipedia culture that I have read. Thank you. But, so far, any suggestions for change has been met with apathy or, those advocating change being considered malcontents and troublemakers. Yes, I have been accused of trolling:-). I have been trying to call attention to this problem of a dysfunctional culture in the Project for 4 years now. However, the initiative for change, and the know-how to create it, doesn't appear to exist at the highest levels of the Project. Pity. To Samuel: And, so do I. Marc Riddell _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
