> Are there people who would like to help me collect such cases like those > of Astrology, Kosovo, the Middle East etc. and/or cases that were sent > to arbitration which didn't help much and the like, and productively > analyze them in order to think of better ways to treat them and the > users involve? I am going to talk about the issue on Wikimania 2011 (in > Haifa), but there is no reason to wait. I believe that this is one of > the major reason why potential users are reluctant to join and new users > are driven out. > > Dror K
What I remember about the worst of these, perhaps the eastern Europe and Balkans, the Armenia-Azerbaijan cases, Pakistan-India, was that it was hideously difficult to sort out all the different editors, many socking, and really do justice in each individual editor's case. That resulted in blanket remedies where the article, or even the whole geographical area was put on "probation". This gives administrators considerable power and discretion. This was part of a movement empowering administrators, based essentially on the realization that careful consideration of each detail by a small central group was so difficult as to be impossible. The hope was that the administrators would grown into the enlarged responsibility. I have a feeling that thinking of "better ways to treat them" may be quite difficult. Aggressive edit warring drives people away, but often the people being driven away have point of view agendas of their own, they are just not knowledgeable enough about Wikipedia techniques to get away with it. Right there I think there might be some progress made...cutting some slack for new editors who engage in naive point of view editing. From my experience, I doubt the other side of that equation, griefing experienced editors who aggressively bully is very practical. Fred > > ×ת×ר×× 10/04/11 00:59, צ×××× Fred Bauder: >>> Even in the most harsh legal >>> systems people are not always punished for breaking the law, because >>> circumstances are also taken into account. It is quite awkward that >>> Wikipedia, that started with the "ignore all rules" principle, has >>> become even harsher with regards to users' violations of rules. >>> >>> Dror K >> That's what we're talking about... >> >> Fred >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> foundation-l mailing list >> [email protected] >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l >> > > _______________________________________________ > foundation-l mailing list > [email protected] > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
