> > Again you are referring to the hosting or presentation of non-free content > and I am not. > I am not referring to the DISPLAY of videos within Wikipedia. > Only the LINKING of videos from Wikipedia. >
No, I realise that is what you are referring to - and I don't honestly see any huge value to linking to such material. For example; in the case of a music single article, if the user was looking for a video of the content they would have gone to Youtube, that is the recognised place to go. If they were looking for background info they come to Wikipedia. I see the minor value of linking out to Youtube to enhance reader experience in a small way; but balanced against our view of free content I feel that value is cancelled out. > 99.9999% of Youtube videos have no licensing information at all so there is > no way to tell if they are being uploaded by the copyright holder. > The Wikipedian copyright police take a worst-case position and disallow all > such linking. > > Not at all; in many cases it is obvious (or taken on good faith). In other cases Youtube is set up in such a way as to identify official accounts. Often it is 100% clear the content is not free or used properly. The critical issue is value; if non-free content adds substantial value then I 100% support the idea of linking or displaying it. This is the core of the current en.wiki non-free content policy. But in many cases that value is "meh" and encouraging such linking is a significant step backwards. I've also been quite happy taking the long view. In the ideal world we could place the music video directly in the relevant article - as it is copyright prohibits that. In not all that many years (although after we are gone, certainly) the video can be placed in the article. So I see no issue :) right now you can see it on Youtube, with dubious licensing. The next few generations will be able to see what their grandparents were watching/listening to on Wikipedia. :) By the way Thomas this thread is for suggesting ways to move forward. > > I'm not sure what you mean there exactly... that my view is the current standard and therefore irrelevant to moving forward? Pfft. :) Tom _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l