I dont subscribe to mr kohs views, but I just reposted it for the record. mike
On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 7:48 PM, Huib Laurens <[email protected]> wrote: > Don't think Austin has anything to do with this. While its strange > that a mail is gone. > > But a list moderator nor administrator cant delete mails from the archive. > > 2011/7/23, Mike Dupont <[email protected]>: > > It looks like my message here was truncated from the mailing list > archive, > > so I am reposting it. > > > http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2010-October/061709.html > > > > Mr Kohs pointed this out here : > > http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?showtopic=34460 > > thanks, > > mike > > --------------- Original Text ---------------------------------- > > > > Hello, > > > > From what I have seen about Greg Kohs is that he does have some > > interesting points to make, but I do see that he is jumping to > > conclusions and does seem to have a biased viewpoint. > > > > People want to make their own decisions and have enough information to > > do that. We don't want to have important information deleted away > > because it is uncomfortable. > > > > Banning him makes it less likely for him to be heard, and these > > interesting points which are worth considering are not heard my many > > people : this is depriving people of critical information, that is not > > fair to the people involved. > > > > Just look at this article for example, it is quite interesting and > > well written, and why should it not be visible to everyone on the > > list. > > > > > http://www.examiner.com/wiki-edits-in-national/wikimedia-foundation-director-admits-to-sweetheart-contracts > > > > Deleting and banning people who say things that are not comfortable, > > that does make you look balanced and trustworthy. > > > > The Wikimedia foundation should be able to stand up to such > > accusations without resorting to gagging people, it just gives more > > credit to the people being gagged and makes people wonder if there is > > any merit in what they say. > > > > This brings up my favorite subject of unneeded deletions versions needed > > ones. > > > > Of course there is material that should be deleted that is hateful, > > Spam etc, lets call that evil content. > > > > But the articles that i wrote and my friends wrote that were deleted > > did not fall into that category, they might have been just bad or not > > notable. > > > > We have had a constant struggle to keep our articles from being > > deleted in a manner that we consider unfair. Additionally, the bad > > content is lost and falls into the same category as evil content. > > > > Also there should be more transparency on deleted material on the > > Wikipedia itself, there is a lot of information that is being deleted > > and gone forever without proper process or review. > > > > In my eyes there is a connection between the two topics, the banning > > of people and the deleting of information. Both are depriving people > > from information that they want and need in an unfair manner. > > > > Instead of articles about obscure events, things, and old places in > > Kosovo you have a wikipedia full of the latest information about every > > television show, is that what you really want? > > > > I think there should be room for things in places that are not not > > notable because they are not part of mainstream pop culture, we also > > need to support the underdogs of Wikipedia even if they are not > > mainstream, Mr Kohs definitely has something to say and I would like > > like to hear it. And the Kosovars have something to say even if the > > Serbs don't want to hear it. The Albanians have something to say even > > if the Greeks don't want to hear it, etc. There are many cases of > > people from Kosovo and Albania driven out of Wikipedia and depriving > > the project of important information because they are not able to get > > started and the contributions are so far way from the dominating > > political viewpoint of the opposite side that they don't even get a > > chance to be heard. > > > > We need to make a way for these people to be heard and to moderate the > > conflicts better, that will make Wikipedia stronger and more robust. > > > > thanks, > > mike > > > > > > On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 8:30 AM, Mike Dupont < > [email protected] > >> wrote: > > > >> Hello, > >> > >> From what I have seen about Greg Kohs is that he does have some > >> interesting points to make, but I do see that he is jumping to > >> conclusions and does seem to have a biased viewpoint. > >> > >> People want to make their own decisions and have enough information to > >> do that. We don't want to have important information deleted away > >> because it is uncomfortable. > >> > >> Banning him makes it less likely for him to be heard, and these > >> interesting points which are worth considering are not heard my many > >> people : this is depriving people of critical information, that is not > >> fair to the people involved. > >> > >> Just look at this article for example, it is quite interesting and > >> well written, and why should it not be visible to everyone on the > >> list. > >> > >> > >> > http://www.examiner.com/wiki-edits-in-national/wikimedia-foundation-director-admits-to-sweetheart-contracts > >> > >> Deleting and banning people who say things that are not comfortable, > >> that does make you look balanced and trustworthy. > >> > >> The Wikimedia foundation should be able to stand up to such > >> accusations without resorting to gagging people, it just gives more > >> credit to the people being gagged and makes people wonder if there is > >> any merit in what they say. > >> > >> This brings up my favorite subject of unneeded deletions versions needed > >> ones. > >> > >> Of course there is material that should be deleted that is hateful, > >> Spam etc, lets call that evil content. > >> > >> But the articles that i wrote and my friends wrote that were deleted > >> did not fall into that category, they might have been just bad or not > >> notable. > >> > >> We have had a constant struggle to keep our articles from being > >> deleted in a manner that we consider unfair. Additionally, the bad > >> content is lost and falls into the same category as evil content. > >> > >> Also there should be more transparency on deleted material on the > >> Wikipedia itself, there is a lot of information that is being deleted > >> and gone forever without proper process or review. > >> > >> In my eyes there is a connection between the two topics, the banning > >> of people and the deleting of information. Both are depriving people > >> from information that they want and need in an unfair manner. > >> > >> Instead of articles about obscure events, things, and old places in > >> Kosovo you have a wikipedia full of the latest information about every > >> television show, is that what you really want? > >> > >> I think there should be room for things in places that are not not > >> notable because they are not part of mainstream pop culture, we also > >> need to support the underdogs of Wikipedia even if they are not > >> mainstream, Mr Kohs definitely has something to say and I would like > >> like to hear it. And the Kosovars have something to say even if the > >> Serbs don't want to hear it. The Albanians have something to say even > >> if the Greeks don't want to hear it, etc. There are many cases of > >> people from Kosovo and Albania driven out of Wikipedia and depriving > >> the project of important information because they are not able to get > >> started and the contributions are so far way from the dominating > >> political viewpoint of the opposite side that they don't even get a > >> chance to be heard. > >> > >> We need to make a way for these people to be heard and to moderate the > >> conflicts better, that will make Wikipedia stronger and more robust. > >> > >> thanks, > >> mike > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > James Michael DuPont > > Member of Free Libre Open Source Software Kosova http://flossk.org > > _______________________________________________ > > foundation-l mailing list > > [email protected] > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > > > > -- > Verzonden vanaf mijn mobiele apparaat > > Kind regards, > > Huib Laurens > WickedWay.nl > > Webhosting the wicked way. > > _______________________________________________ > foundation-l mailing list > [email protected] > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > -- James Michael DuPont Member of Free Libre Open Source Software Kosova http://flossk.org _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
