> > > > I can't ASSUME > > > things about non-participants. For all I know anything we do > > > (including filtering) might hurt them. If they don't speak up, we > > > don't know. > > And this takes us full circle to just about my first question on this > long > > thread.... has anyone actually asked our consumers what they would like > to > > see? > > Yes. We do. That's why we have a discussion tab on every single page. > Would you like it to be more prominent, in blinking letters 3 miles high? > Perhaps we should do something like that (within reason) if you think it > will help. But the community attitude will have to change a bit too. Right > now the community is becoming more and more insular, and unwilling to > "talk to strangers". > > Outside participation is possible, permitted, and encouraged at page-level > granularity. Where it is not, we have a problem with a known solution. > > At the moment, very few people are going page-by-page and solving it > though. We may need some new forms of patrol. :-) >
Whilst the discussion tab is good for a small sub-section of our readers, it doesn't cover everyone. A large swathe of people don't even notice those tabs. Or if they do they don't understand them. This is why OTRS gets emails saying "I saw X mistake on Y article"; because emailing in a problem makes more sense to some people. >From the perspective of broader product development, getting people to navigate the community discussion pages is non-trivial. In any decent organisation you go to your pool of passive users and force them to respond (i.e. pro-active surveys etc.) > The fact that we have different language wikis working past each other is > actually a form of (inadvertant) pillarization. This was the point I was making. The extension being... we should be condensing all of these view points and then allowing cultural perspectives to modify the experience as you want. Enforcing a cultural perspective on someone is one of the sneakiest forms of POV pushing. Tom _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
