Julius, I do understand your feelings (believe me: I do) but screaming and offend the board (Like call them "highly confused and amateur") will not help you in your cause.
I do understand your anger against the board and their decision (even because your wiki decided to NOT have the filter.) but I think is better to try solve that with discussion first, and after - as a last change - you can start a war if you want. Please note that the board didn't said yet (and I hope they never say) that they will placed any filter in all wikis. I do agree that a statement saying they will not impose the filter in wikis who voted against (fr and de so far) would be better, but lest work with what we have now. _____ *Béria Lima* <http://wikimedia.pt/>(351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer <http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Nossos_projetos>.* On 10 October 2011 13:00, Julius Redzinski <[email protected]>wrote: > > That can't be meant serious anymore. You first make a Board decision and > then > want to research how big the problem is or if it at all exists, after you > already made > the decision about the solution? The Board seems to act on a highly > confused > and amateur level ... it is not to understand anymore what is going on > there. > > On such a decision the Board should have before making any decision > researched > really what raeders expect and want and this with empathy for different > regions and > the understanding that germany maybe has different needs than the arabic > room and > that a making them all the same is not a good idea, and not empathic at > all. Before a > Board decision there would have been to be a poll that really ask the right > questions, > not this fake thing with no impact at all. The way the Board acted on this > and now not > even says "yes, we fucked it up, we take the decision back and start at > point zero > again" is a shame for teh complete Wikimedia world and community. > > Second last point: Give back to the editors the responsibility to amke the > choice how the can > present their educational content to the readers. That is no Board > decision. If a > community says we don't need the filter, then the Board doesn't know any > better > about the needs and wishes of teh users of this project and shouldn't act > into it > this way. > > Last point: The Board should start fisrt thinking and then deciding. It > would reduce much > the danger of splitting the communities an the Wikipedias. The Board seems > a little > bit too american, first shooting by feeling threatend and then asking ... > That is not > the way the Board should work. So act responsible and take back the > decision > until a really good decision process would have been made through ... > > Julius Redzinski (de:Julius1990) > > > On 10.10.2011 13:24, wrote Ting: > > > > Hello Fae, > > > > thank you very much for pointing this out. Yes, I think you indeed hit > > the nail. We discussed this problem on our meeting and Sue provided some > > plans on how to work on this problem. I am normally reluctant to comment > > what the staff is doing or what they are planning to do, because this > > often can be seen as an intervening of the staff activity. But I think > > it is ok for me to spoil this a bit now: So Sue suggests a two step > > approach. In the first step we will only collect reader reactions on > > images, to see if there is a problem at all, how big is the problem, and > > where are the problems. And on a second step, when we have those data > > and can work out an understanding of it, then we can go on to work out > > dedicated solutions for the problems, as I said in my letter, together > > with the community. > > > > Greetings > > Ting > > > > On 09.10.2011 23:55, wrote Fae: > > > Hi Ting, > > > > > > Thanks for explaining the position of the board in your own words. I > > > appreciate the board is listening. I am concerned that you state that > > > the board is acting from "belief", I recommend you consider how this > > > can move to proposing a strategy based on facts and non-controversial > > > analysis. > > > > > > I suspect that any proposal for change will be strongly resisted and > > > continue to divide our community until well understood and well > > > communicated facts underpin the board's resolution rather than > > > personal belief. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Fae > > _______________________________________________ > foundation-l mailing list > [email protected] > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
