On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 2:24 PM, WereSpielChequers <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 11:55 PM, WereSpielChequers > >> I really read that with a huge deal of thought. I keep coming to the same >> conclusion here that the people who don't not only believe a workable >> system is desireable, but actively ignore the fact that what they are >> proposing is not real world workable seem to dominate the side in >> favor of some filtering scheme. >> >> Case in point: (from your proposal) >> >> "Whilst almost no-one objects to individuals making decisions as to >> what they want to see, as soon as one person decides what others on >> "their" network or IP can see you have crossed the line into enabling >> censorship. However as Wikimedia accounts are free, a logged in only >> solution would still be a free solution that was available to all." >> >> No, that is just simply not logically sound. Period. Wikipedia has no >> control over what happens to content or the formats or abilities of >> their scripts or whatever, as soon as it goes out of a intarweb pipe. >> Period. Not tenable, even if you believe a non-censorship >> enabling implementation is a good thing (I don't, but I am trying to >> address the insanity of believing that it could ever be accomplished.) >> >> >> >> The issue of whether external agencies could hack this has already come up > on the talkpage. > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:WereSpielChequers/filter > > The difficulty for anyone trying to do that is that they would be attempting > to read millions of pages as a logged in user without a bot flag. So they'd > probably get blocked as a denial of service attack. Even if someone > subdivided their calls and created multiple accounts to read parts of the > project from hundreds of different PCs they would only learn that someone > had filtered in or out certain images. To replicate the filter they would > need to have each of those accounts flag certain images as filtered or un > filtered - and at that point I would suggest that this has become a much > more difficult thing to hack than simply extracting some of our existing > categories. > > As your the second person to raise this I'll add an explanation to the > proposal as to how this can be countered. > > Do you actually have any idea what a Big Mama is, or how much brute computing power one of those has? -- -- Jussi-Ville Heiskanen, ~ [[User:Cimon Avaro]] _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
