Hi Theo, I find your tone needlessly rude - do you really think this is the best way to communicate?
It makes it very difficult to have a useful conversation. Best wishes, Achal On 11 November 2011 18:07, Theo10011 <[email protected]> wrote: > Yes, we disagreed on a couple of things during the filter discussion on > this very list, I'm sure you can look it up. > > Along with the local discussions, your thoughts on the strategy plan, and > movement roles, I wasn't there at the time to disagree so I suppose you > have no idea. You are more than welcome to bring any of this up on > Internal-l however, I would be happy to go into much more detail for your > elucidation. > > On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 3:26 AM, Achal Prabhala <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > Hi Theo > > > > On 11 November 2011 14:10, Theo10011 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Ohai Achal > > > > > > As usual, I disagree. > > > > > > ?? > > > > I didn't realise we disagree frequently...you must fill me in off list :) > > > > > > > I am a bit more informed of the current situation > > > than most people, maybe not as much as the current WMF advisory board > > > member but who knows. > > > > > > > Theo, this isn't a competition. I value your perspective, as do several > > other people. > > > > Never said it is. > > > > > > > > > > My opinion on this is from a regular community member before much of > the > > > community in other cities was active. I am not affiliated with the > > chapter > > > or the India operations. > > > > > > Honestly, from my proximity, and I have been in close proximity for a > > while > > > to both entities, there is some tension and a sense of antagonism on a > > lot > > > of issues. The fact they can't and usually don't co-ordinate before, > only > > > heightens the issue. > > > > > > > While I value your perspective on this issue, I think it would be also > > helpful to hear from people who have a direct relationship with the > > chapter, and from people who are in a formal/semi-formal community > grouping > > who've interacted with the chapter and Foundation in India. I don't > > disagree with you or dispute what you say; I just think that there are > many > > others who are in a better position to speak to this. > > > > So by implication, you mean I have no direct relationship with the chapter > and India operations. I don't think I ever stopped being active on the > local mailing lists or the conference organizing committee to be considered > not-direct, however, I can't say the same for you or others. I can go into > the specifics of my involvement with the foundation in India, with things > like the office, all the India-operation pages on Meta, the regular IRC > meetings I moderated as well as my work for the chapter like customizing > the chapter wiki, Wikiconference pages, general outreach etc.. Again, I'm > not sure if my work qualifies me to comment or be considered direct, which > you seem to be entitled to judge. > > I find it odd since you are dismissing Anirudh for being in the chapter and > not in the country, and then me for being in the country and not on the > chapter or in proximity. You suggested asking the organizers in your last > mail, last I checked I was one of them. Pranav also responded but he also > happens to be on a "fellowship"/grant, I'm not. > > > > > > > As for solicitation and being open for the famed India education > > program, I > > > recall mentioning this to Hisham when he first brought it up, weeks > after > > > he was hired. My opinion at the time, and now is, he did it in the > wrong > > > city, the wrong colleges and with the wrong people. I still stand by my > > > opinion. > > > > > > You brought up Anirudh's physical presence as affecting his judgement > > about > > > the chapter. > > > > > > Actually no. > > > > Anirudh is not speaking for the chapter, and clearly said he is speaking > > for himself. I respect that. I'm simply reiterating that as he has been > in > > Cambodia the last year or so, he hasn't attended chapter meetings, the > AGM, > > or participated in any of the chapter events (physically) - which I, and > > several other people based here, have. Anirudh is a long standing and > > dedicated Wikipedian who has every right to an opinion; I'm merely > pointing > > out that living in the country whose Wikimedia chapter you are a board > > member of is likely to provide more opportunities to do things for the > > chapter and not make it "redundant". > > > > > First you say he's not speaking for the chapter, only himself, which you > respect then you proceed to make an argument how he is unfit to speak for > the chapter? I'm not sure how someone's physical presence or attending > certain meetings relates to their effectiveness on the board, certainly > their personal opinion. I pointed out there are several chapters with > little or no restrictions to its board members being resident or present in > the country, again, you are more than free to check. I also don't > understand the point of quoting redundant, are those quotes intended to be > ironic? > > I'm not sure how his physical presence is related to this, I would go so > far as to say, it's his personal business. One that you don't exactly have > a position to question, just as much as someone else does to question > yours, helping chapters and communities in two continents. Can someone ask > you to stop representing India as the advisory board member when you > represent South Africa or vice-versa, after missing a couple of meetings? > Last I checked the board of a chapter was a non-paid volunteer position. > > > > > > > I would like to point out that the India offices are located > > > in Delhi, the foundation offices in San Francisco, neither of those put > > you > > > in a better position to comment than Anirudh. Many chapters and you can > > > check if you like, have board members who are not resident or are > > > temporarily resident outside a country. It is usually a chapter's > > decision, > > > if they have objections or not. > > > > > > As for the Media getting it wrong, well, it's sad you can't correct > > > everyone on what the "Movement" is or where it should be headed. > > > > > > > I'm not entirely sure if you're being sarcastic here, Theo, but assuming > > good faith, I'll assume that you mean (like Sue pointed out) that the > media > > does tend to confuse terms that sound and look similar. > > > > I was indeed being sarcastic. (Someone call [[WP:OMGcom]] ) > > > Theo > _______________________________________________ > foundation-l mailing list > [email protected] > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
