I believe Brandon is going to give it the once-over pretty soon :) On 9 February 2012 23:09, Mono <monom...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I say the design needs improvement; I suggest taking a look at > Usernoise<http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/usernoise/screenshots/> > for > a bit of refinement. > > On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 12:10 PM, Howie Fung <hf...@wikimedia.org> wrote: > > > A couple quick comments: > > > > For folks that are interested in this topic, please consider attending > > Oliver's Office Hours on the topic. Oliver hosts an IRC Office Hours > > approximately every week to discuss the project. Some are about specific > > topics (e.g.., today's is about oversight of comments and is thus limited > > to oversighters), but most are general purpose discussion where we > discuss > > stuff like design direction, general workflows, and DATA. Here's a link > to > > the WMF office hours schedule (Oliver's Office Hours are always listed > > here): http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_office_hours > > > > One of the goals of this project is, as David states, increasing reader > > engagement. Ultimately, we hope that a percentage of the readers that > > leave constructive comments will become editors. We need to add feedback > > loops where if someone leaves a great comment that's acted on by the > > editors, that reader gets notified. Hopefully that loop will work to > draw > > in readers by piquing their curiosity (and also providing some positive > > feedback of "Hey look! They took my suggestion -- and by the way, what > are > > they doing on this talk page thing. . ." We need to get through a few > more > > baseline features before we start thinking more closely about the > feedback > > loop, but I at least wanted to put it out there. > > > > Also, there will be some readers that simply will not become editors, > and I > > think that's okay. Having them provide constructive feedback about what > > their information needs are as readers, I think, is better than having > them > > not involved at all. There is, of course, the signal to noise ratio, > which > > is one of the things that Oliver, Aaron Halfaker, and Dario have spent > > quite a bit of time researching. Having said that, we do need to be > > careful about creating a "someone else's problem" dynamic. One way to do > > this is to keep making sure these readers know that they can make the > > change themselves. > > > > Howie > > > > On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 5:00 AM, Oliver Keyes <oke...@wikimedia.org> > wrote: > > > > > That's the plan. Neil, this is a concern we've taken into account; > we'll > > be > > > testing whether (for example) the presence of the feedback page adds > > 2,000 > > > comments, but kills half of our anonymous edits, or whatever. If the > harm > > > outweighs the benefits, we'll go back to the drawing board. > > > > > > On 9 February 2012 10:38, David Gerard <dger...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On 9 February 2012 09:04, <n...@thebabbages.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > I guess my concern is that it may encourage readers to type in > > > > suggestions and take it no further rather than take the next step and > > > begin > > > > editing themselves. > > > > > > > > > > > > At present, the average reader doesn't even fix typos. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Definitely important to watch for any changes in the rate of new > > > editors > > > > contributing. It also implicitly makes it "someone else's problem" to > > fix > > > > things compared to our current stock response of "if you see things > > that > > > > could be better, fix it yourself. " I'm not saying this is intended > but > > > it > > > > runs the risk of making projects look they have people exercising > > > editorial > > > > control. > > > > > > > > > > > > If it's getting any increased reader participation in any way at all, > > > > that's a big improvement over the present. Let's see how it works > out. > > > > (With numbers.) > > > > > > > > > > > > - d. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > foundation-l mailing list > > > > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > Unsubscribe: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Oliver Keyes > > > Community Liaison, Product Development > > > Wikimedia Foundation > > > _______________________________________________ > > > foundation-l mailing list > > > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > foundation-l mailing list > > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > > > _______________________________________________ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > -- Oliver Keyes Community Liaison, Product Development Wikimedia Foundation _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l