On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 11:38 PM, Ray Saintonge <[email protected]> wrote: > On 03/12/12 12:35 PM, George Herbert wrote: >> >> Without delving into the specifics here, or concluding either way as >> to the current case lacking actual evidence in front of me, it is a >> real and quite serious problem if we don't hold senior and longtime >> editors to account for abuses they may perpetuate on the Wiki. >> >> The hue and cry of "But I contributed XZY!" is true, but irrelevant. >> If one is abusive on the Wiki, one damages the community in deep and >> divisive ways. Everyone needs to understand that. If you start >> disrupting the community, no matter who you are or where you were, it >> needs to stop. > > > This would be fine if all the established admins who abuse newbies were held > to the same standards. > > But as has been said, Wikipedia is not a democracy. That's enough to make > secret Stalinist processes valid. > > Ray
There is an insidious problem with our privacy and outing policies that force some disciplinary related discussions off-wiki. Avoiding things like that are why I use my real full name on wiki. That said - that's the privacy policy nearly everyone has consistently wanted, and I'm far in the corner minority on the wisdom of the privacy policy as a whole there. The private considerations of privacy related abuses are a necessary outgrowth of the policy and community norm on privacy writ large. There are similar privacy issues in a number of other areas such as the unblock list and OTRS. It's all nice and good to point out that some of the effects are stalinist (which, to some degree, I agree) but without a total revamp of the privacy approach across the whole project - if not Foundation - that's as far as I know and see the only way to do it. If you have a better balance point proposal or a specific issue with this case, I for one am interested in it, but it really has to work with the totality of the privacy / management situation... -- -george william herbert [email protected] _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
