Ok, but that is the diference between using a firewall and an ACL on a 
switch/router.

A firewall builds a session-cache, which you really do not want the 
switch/router to do, especially when a lot of traffic is going through them.

Strictly speaking, your TCP ACL does block non-established traffic, but will 
allow DDoS traffic when it spoofs "established" TCP traffic, which a firewall 
wouldn't.

I'm afraid all you can do is ACL based on source and destination for UDP, and 
create a similar "smaller" hole like you did for TCP.

For additional security a device like a firewall is required.

Greetings,

   Diederik






On 1 Apr 2011, at 02:47 , David Miller wrote:

> On 3/31/11 5:06 PM, David Miller wrote:
> 
> 
> To those who kindly reminded me that UDP is stateless, thank you.
> 
> I know UDP is stateless.  Firewalls, however, keep track of UDP packets sent 
> - for short periods - so that packets can be returned. DNS, voip, and other 
> applications would break if the firewall didn't do this.
> 
> That's how I'd like snmp to work here: snmp server on the secure network 
> selects a random port, sends a UDP packet from that port to the monitored 
> system on 161. Then the SI should know to allow the returned packet through.  
> Instead, the packets get blocked going back to the random port.
> 
> Sorry to not communicate this clearly the first time:)
> 
> --- David
> 
> 
> 
>> Serveriron running 10.2.01oTI4
>> 
>> My setup is a more secure layer with utilities and databases, and a layer 
>> for the boxes that have to talk to the 'net.
>> 
>> I currently have an ACL that lets a more-secure box establish TCP 
>> connections to the less secure layer:
>> 
>> permit tcp 192.168.120.0 0.0.0.255 192.168.140.0 0.0.0.255 established
>> 
>> 
>> I'm installing SNMP now, and would like to have the equivalent rule for UDP 
>> - IE, any host on the more secure layer able to send UDP packets and get the 
>> response back.  I tried this:
>> 
>> permit udp 192.168.120.0 0.0.0.255 192.168.140.0 0.0.0.255 established
>> 
>> and it doesn't raise any syntax errors, but it doesn't allow packets to 
>> return to the snmp box.
>> 
>> What am I missing here?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> --- David
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