Not having the remove-vlan feature available in previous releases, despite it being the #1 complaint I get from customers (“why does changing VLANs suck so bad?”, with why does the lacp configuration suck so bad being a close #2), is enough to make you want to spit.
-Brant. > On Jan 5, 2016, at 3:10 AM, Robert Hass <[email protected]> wrote: > > On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 1:57 AM, Mike Allen <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > Hi Robert, I am forwarding this into the product team at Brocade. It does > sound disconcerting, but what I will say is that new software will continue > to be released for the ICX6xxx series, it will be as patch or maintenance > releases. I believe the reason for this is that there are some major > features being added in the next couple of releases, and the older hardware > will not support some of these. Over the past few versions, some specific > minor features have been ported or back-rev'd into certain patch releases as > well, so I wouldn't view this as the end of the line in any way for the ICX > 6xxx product. There are some unique advantages in the newer 7xxx hardware, > but the 6610s are still very versatile platforms. > > Hi Mike > > But from my point of view Patch & Maintenance means dead product. Let me do > quick explanation - from perspective of existing customer running 300+ ICX'es > 6430/6450/6610/6650 as Patch & Maintenance means simply that any new even > software features (I picked up two very usefull features just for give you > example) will not appear in switches which we're using - eg. in 8.0.30 build. > > Examples of new features from 8.0.40 which we probably never see in 8.0.30: > http://www.brocade.com/content/html/en/configuration-guide/fastiron-08040-managementguide/GUID-CE006189-671C-4623-B49E-F867FED75CEB.html > > <http://www.brocade.com/content/html/en/configuration-guide/fastiron-08040-managementguide/GUID-CE006189-671C-4623-B49E-F867FED75CEB.html> > http://www.brocade.com/content/html/en/command-reference-guide/fastiron-08040-commandref/GUID-9C96575B-639F-411A-9D09-7E5E455F5498.html > > <http://www.brocade.com/content/html/en/command-reference-guide/fastiron-08040-commandref/GUID-9C96575B-639F-411A-9D09-7E5E455F5498.html> > > Explanation for vendor is really simple. Integrating these features in 8.0.30 > or even release 8.0.40 without new hardware features (ERSPAN, SPX) costs > because software teams receiving payrolls. But after that probably we will > not buy any new Brocade switch again. Imagine your potential profit loss (due > we will not buy anything new from Brocade) VS cost of software teams. Maybe > Brocade is not interested spending money for dead products as they have new > products - 7250/7450/7750 series. But it not just cost - it's about customer > satisfaction and vendor trust. > > From my perspective as former programmer I don't see what is problem with > integrating some software features into older software release ? Is it really > so big effort and cost ? I always receiving feedback from PMs that becouse > product testing cost a lot. This never convince me - as saying that testing > cost a lot is pure bullshit as I hit a lot of times in bugs for new > features/platforms which simply means that money for testing if mostly wasted. > > Just want to add it never happen to Cisco or even HP Procurve products - old > switches are still receiving software features. > Asked my friend regarding EX series in JNPR - also old EX still receiving new > functions. > > Rob > _______________________________________________ > foundry-nsp mailing list > [email protected] > http://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/foundry-nsp
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