Yeah, except: that "update" is just a BGP compression algorithm on the SLX-OS 
software. Your hardware still only carries 1M routes, but they simply don't 
install overlapping subnets with the same next-hop into FIB. So you are really 
just stuck with hardware that has less route scalability than the good ol' 
X2-scalability MLXe linecards in every measurable way.

Best regards,
Martijn

On 1/29/19 10:31 AM, Jörg Kost wrote:

That's probably a reason, also the X2 card pricing is not so attractive. I also 
wonder when / if they will start a trade-in program for MLX to SLX, but seems 
they missed this opportunity with existing clients already. :(

Additionally the SLX9850/9540 got its 1.5M route update late (March 2018?) and 
the SLX9640 is kind of being late to the party, too (but still a cool 
product!), so that we went for the SLX9540 for peering locations (and they 
needed 3 months to ship … ).

For one point I thought that some kind of adapter card, that makes X2 cards 
work inside the SLX chassis, would protect a future investment and also running 
the power-pc based NetIron-OS inside the KVM hypervisor would be neat.

I also think that marketing or product management of the former Brocade 
products are (purposely?) pretty weak and besides they are talking about inside 
architecture or visibility (SLX) platform, the hardware products are hardly 
visible or known at all. The last one-day sales presentation I have attended a 
year after the transition, they didn't even mention former "Brocade" products 
and talked about Extreme becoming THE "software / analytics vendor" for generic 
network devices…

Well, what about being both? A software vendor and a hardware vendor (with 
touch control… )? The Brocade buy-out was such a steal and then they forgot to 
bring the customers into a safe harbor. Still to be mentioned that the whole 
Broadcom-Brocade-Qualcomm-US-Government disaster may had its own impact, too.

So what they really need is a momentum shift. Bring the SLX-line out on the 
road where it matters and it can work, sponsor the right events, understand why 
people currently don't choose the products and work on this issues, show valid 
upgrade paths for current customers and develop a strategy for not loosing more 
customers to other vendors, advance the development (5 months for a critical 
bug?) and hand out the Brocade strategy behind 2020.

Jörg


On 28 Jan 2019, at 22:06, i3D.net - Martijn Schmidt wrote:

I think everyone is phasing out their X-scalability hardware in anticipation of 
the global routing table growing larger than 786k IPv4 routes. These boxes 
don't have a long life ahead of them as a DFZ router, unless you only use 
X2-scalability cards in your chassis.. and with operators essentially being 
forced to upgrade to a completely different platform (SLX or $other_vendor), 
Brextreme's advantage of being the incumbent vendor in the network is pretty 
much completely negated.

Finally, as a BDA, let me tell you that being stabbed in the back when it comes 
to my certification record has not benefited my opinion of the new owner(s) of 
the Brocade diaspora. Why they decided to not only pull the plug on the entire 
Brocade education program, but also delete the historical certification 
database from CertMetrics, is beyond me. It has become impossible to check the 
validity of years' worth of Brocade credentials.

Best regards,
Martijn

On 28 January 2019 21:35:56 CET, Youssef Bengelloun-Zahr 
<[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]> wrote:

Nope, just very little chatter.

BR.




Le 28 janv. 2019 à 20:32, joe mcguckin <[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]> a 
écrit :

Is there a new list for Foundry/Brocade/Extreme?

Thanks,

joe


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