Dear David,

I don't know of a good option. The standard you seem to be working from
isn't one that I've heard of. Every mainstream style guide I've seen
says that front matter should be numbered separately from the body. That
means that your chapter 1 should start on page 1 according to
commonly-accepted standards. The FM architecture is designed to conform
to those standards. I seriously doubt they'll change it, though I agree
that the numbering and the format shouldn't be connected.



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Aside:

By the way, Chicago's style does this because they assume that front
matter will change after the body text has been paginated, so removing
the dependency makes sense. In modern, computer-paginated technical
manuals the dependency may no longer exist. Recognizing this, I have
chosen to number from the first page of the front matter in Arabic. One
benefit of this is that Adobe PDF versions of my books match the PDF
page number to the "printed" page number!

Keen readers of Chicago's online Q&A will recognize this issue from last
month; I was the one who asked the question. Alas, they didn't quite
understand my point. The standard of numbering front and back matter
separately from the body makes sense in a traditional world, and I
suppose that it should be the standard if you are going to have only one
single standard to cover every situation. But in a book generated from
FM, where one can re-paginate at the click of a button, I think the
standard has no useful purpose.

Joe Malin
Technical Writer
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Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 1:16 PM
To: Framers (FrameMaker List)
Subject: Page Numbering Properties

Using FM7.0p578 on WinXP

I have a situation which I don't think is so unusual, and yet I can't
seem to figure out how to get FM to handle it. 

Our TOC page numbering begins on iii and goes as long as it has to,
ending on an even page.

Our Chapter 1 begins on the next page after the TOC page. So if the TOC
is eight pages (iii-x), then the first page of Chapter 1 is 11.

Looking at FM's Numbering Properties dialog, Page tab, at first glance,
it would appear that I need to use Continue Numbering from Previous Page
in Book, but then the first page in Chapter 1 is numbered xi, even if I
set it to Numeric.  

To my knowledge, the only way around this problem is to use First Page
and manually set the value to <number of pages in TOC + 3>, in this 11,
and set the style to Numeric.

This solution becomes cumbersome when publishing conditional books.  For
example, I need to produce six books from the same set of source files.
The number of pages in the TOC can change from 6 to 8 to 10 depending on
which book I am publishing, so I have to manually reset the Page
Numbering Properties for Chapter 1 each time I publish version of the
book.

>From my perspective, I could solve this if my company changed its
numbering standard to restart numbering on the first page of Chapter 1.
Unfortunately, that is not an option.

>From FM's perspective, FM could solve this if the format (roman vs.
arabic) was not connected to restarting the page numbering, that is, you
shouldn't only get to change the format if you are restarting, you
should also get to change it if you are continuing. 

Does anyone know if there is another solution I have not considered, or
if not, has this been fixed in FM7.2?  Or if anyone from Adobe is
reading this, will it be fixed in the next release (please).  
 

David Wollenberger 


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