Hi, Melanie:

Here's the problem, according to my quick tests and examining MIF files:

* In a new file, based on standard FM templates, the default table format A has no footing row, and the paragraph format catalog has no definition for CellFooting. However, in the MIF file, you can see that the format A table definition has a statement to use the CellFooting paragraph format for cells in a footing row.

* Adding a footing row to a format A table creates CellFooting tags in the cells, but CellFooting is not in the paragraph catalog, so the tag information area (left end of status bar) displays *CellFooting. I think the CellFooting paragraph format is cloned from the existing CellHeading format, but it might be generated from some other source.

* Adding the CellFooting paragraph format to the catalog locks in a definition for it.

I think you can accomplish what you want by creating a definition for the CellFooting paragraph format in the catalog, using a font you have. Table footing rows you create will look in for CellFooting and if it exists in the catalog, they will use the font you have specified. I believe that this approach will preclude FM trying to find the hidden, elusive, maddening, "ghost," location of TimesNewRoman and variations.

HTH

Regards,

Peter Gold
KnowHow ProServices


At 11:45 AM -0600 3/24/06, Melanie Raney wrote:
Rick, We constantly have the same issues you're having. Every time we
try to print, create a PDF, or regenerate the books, we get the missing
fonts list: 'TimesNewRoman' and 'Times'.

We aren't using either of these fonts, and no manner of search reveals
them in the FM file.
When I look at the MIF, I see something very similar to what you have
shown below but replace `TimesNewRomanPSMT' with 'TimesNewRoman' in
mine. In addition, 'Times' never shows up in our MIF at all.

I've tried the suggestion of replacing all the table formats. However, I
don't want the default table formats to have footer rows (because 95% of
our tables don't need a footer row), so I update the formats with footer
rows then try deleting the footer rows and updating again. This is in
the hopes that it remembers how the footer row is supposed to look even
though its not inserted in the table. This results in no joy for
eliminating the bad font... Keep getting 'TimesNewRoman' showing up the
footer row definition. But, get this, when I insert a footing row in a
table, it is always formatted correctly, using the correct paragraph
tag/font... Craziness!

I'm watching closely to see if anyone can help you figure this out.

Sharing your pain,

--
melanie raney


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Further...

In one specific instance, in the MIF, FrameMaker is claiming that the
table heading style for the unstructured master page maps table is
LetterGothicMT and missing, when it's absolutely LetterGothicLT and
present. Telling it to forget the 'missing' font converts the table
heading font to TimesNewRomanPSMT - but the font is still correct and
LetterGothicLT in the document.

Inserting a new unstruct master page table does not reveal any missing
fonts.

This is all most confusing.

Here's the MIF...

 <Tbl
  <TblID 14>
  <TblTag `UnstructMasterPageMaps'>
  <TblFormat
   <TblColumn
    <TblColumnNum 0>
    <TblColumnWidth  13.91412 pc>
    <TblColumnH
     <PgfTag `TableHeading'>
     <Pgf
      <PgfFont
       <FTag `'>
       <FPlatformName `M.TimesNewRomanPSMT.P'>
       <FFamily `Times New Roman'>
       <FVar `Regular'>
       <FWeight `Medium'>
       <FAngle `Regular'>
       <FPostScriptName `TimesNewRomanPSMT'>

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Steve
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