From: "Art Campbell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: March 8, 2007 7:18:26 AM CST
To: "Dona Mommsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Numbering
First, whatever font you're using in your Subject isn't translating
well....
On 3/5/07, Dona Mommsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi,
<snip>
(1) This book has a numbering issue with anchored frames.
The numbering setting is to continue the numbering from the previous
paragraph in the book, and it is consistent in the book and in each
document. However, this does not work when the first occurrence of the
paragraph happens to be in an anchored frame. In that case Frame
stubbornly restarts numbering for that paragraph / tag, and it happens
for paragraphs containing any numbering tag. As soon as I enter the
same paragraph format in the flow (somewhere before the anchored
frame)
the numbering continues correctly. Any ideas or workarounds?
Anchored frames are outside the main flow. The easiest solution is to
number outside them.
(2) In addition, I'd like to make a number of numbering changes. Maybe
these changes should be done first, because it includes restarting the
numbering in each chapter, which could make the issue detailed above
obsolete. However, I'm not sure if there is any order in which I
should
tackle these changes. I'm particularly uncertain if I'm missing
something about numbering definitions of the book vs. numbering in the
paragraph format that could get me in trouble.
—> Introducing Parts should be the easy part:
Part I: Chapters 1 to 3
Part II: Chapters 4 to 6
Part III: Chapters 7 to 8
I was planning to create a new paragraph tag and to include that in
the
TOC.
Yes. I'd use the <$volnum> variable and control it in the book file.
—> Change the numbering of Figures and Tables to Chapter—Figure or
Chapter—Table, respectively, e.g. Figure1—1. Thus the numbering
restarts in each chapter.
I've done the combined numbering in the Appendix, with a structure of
empty brackets in the auto-numbering format,
e.g. A:<A>.<n+>< >< >< >\t
Should I do the same for the main chapters 1 through 8, or is there
something that I'm missing about the chapter numbering definition of
the book?
Make sure to use a different numbering track, not A: and you should be
fine.
You could also set this up at the book level, really the preferred
method, using the <$chapnum> or <$volnum> variables instead of your
active counter.
Please note that I have multiple paragraph tags for Figures and
Tables,
so there are 2 numbering tags but 5 paragraph tags in total: Figure,
FigureWithSource, TableTitle, TableTitleWithSource, and another
paragraph tag for the Figures that are split into panels. The 'with
source' paragraphs have a different spacing, ruler and 'next
paragraph'
property, because they are followed by a paragraph indicating the
source. However, they are using the same numbering tag, so there are
only 2 numbering tags, one for Figures and one for Tables. Also, the
paragraph tag for split Figures with panels numbered 1a), 1b) uses the
same numbering tag. However, these panels are not included in the
List
of Figures. The caption for the whole figure that gets into the LOF is
either a paragraph Figure or FigureWithSource.
Again, the goal it to change the numbering to Chapter—Figure or
Chapter—Table, respectively. I guess that I can handle that with the
correct structure in the empty-brackets-approach, where Figure and
FigureWithSource have to use the same item in the list. To get the
'Figures with panels', I'll probably need another item in the
structure. Again, the question is whether there is a better way of
doing this, using the chapter numbering definition in the book? Is it
possible to use a variable definition like <$chapnum> in the
auto-numbering of a paragraph tag?
Sure, use <$chapnum> for this -- that's what it's designed for. But it
would only replace the set of brackets you're using for chapter
numbering.
—> I'm also grateful for any tips how to make these changes across the
book without FrameScript.
Setting the numbering at the book level and using the <$chapnum> and
<$volnum> variables would be the easiest way to do it. If you have to
redo tags, you'd just import the new formats into multiple files at
once, again at the book level.
—> How bad is it to have 2 chapters in one file? I don't mind to split
the file. I'm asking purely out of curiosity, and I already brace
myself for the outcry this question might provoke.
It's fairly standard procedure. That's why the numbering properties in
the book file allow you to set the numbering for multiple files to the
same chapter number... It's also one additional reason to use the
<$chapnum> variable. The file=chapter thing is just human tidiness --
the computer doesn't care.
Last but not least, all these Lists of … are taking up too much space.
The closest that I could move them together is to start each file on
the next available page. Is it possible to have all the List of
Figures, Tables, and Paragraphs in one file but as three separate
lists?
You''d have to set it up with text insets. More both than it'd be
worth.
My first question would be if you're sure you need all these lists,
and what value they add for the reader. Combined with a TOC, it looks
as if they provide duplacation....
You could include more para types in your TOC, but that's bulk that up
too.
--
Art Campbell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
"... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent
and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
No disclaimers apply.
DoD 358
From: Dona Mommsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: March 5, 2007 6:41:56 PM CST
To: [email protected]
Subject: (1) Numbering
issues with anchored frames (2) Changing numbering in a book
Hi,
I'm soliciting the 2 cents from the pros before I'm getting myself
into trouble, and I apologize for the long post. I'm using Frame 7.0
on Mac 10.3.9. and no FrameScript. I have a book with the following
structure:
Title
TOC
LOF based on 2 paragraph tags with the same numbering tag
LOT based on 2 paragraph tags with the same numbering tag
LOP based on one paragraph tag for 'Boxes' in the document
Abbreviations
Chapter 1
Chapter 2
Chapter 3
Chapter 4
Chapter 5
Chapter 6
Chapter 7 and 8
—For chapters 1 through 8 the numbering of chapters is only in the
paragraph numbering, not in the numbering definition of the book.
Chapter 7 and 8 are still in one file.
—Headings are numbered 1, 1.1, 1.1.1
—Figures and Tables are numbered with separate tags, continuously
throughout all 8 chapters
—Some figures are split into panels numbered 1a), 1b), but there is
always one caption for the whole Figure.
Appendix A
—Headings are numbered A.1
—Figures and Tables are numbered A–1
File with more Appendix A, all in landscape format
Appendix B
References
IX
(1) This book has a numbering issue with anchored frames.
The numbering setting is to continue the numbering from the previous
paragraph in the book, and it is consistent in the book and in each
document. However, this does not work when the first occurrence of the
paragraph happens to be in an anchored frame. In that case Frame
stubbornly restarts numbering for that paragraph / tag, and it happens
for paragraphs containing any numbering tag. As soon as I enter the
same paragraph format in the flow (somewhere before the anchored
frame) the numbering continues correctly. Any ideas or workarounds?
(2) In addition, I'd like to make a number of numbering changes. Maybe
these changes should be done first, because it includes restarting the
numbering in each chapter, which could make the issue detailed above
obsolete. However, I'm not sure if there is any order in which I
should tackle these changes. I'm particularly uncertain if I'm missing
something about numbering definitions of the book vs. numbering in the
paragraph format that could get me in trouble.
—> Introducing Parts should be the easy part:
Part I: Chapters 1 to 3
Part II: Chapters 4 to 6
Part III: Chapters 7 to 8
I was planning to create a new paragraph tag and to include that in
the TOC.
—> Change the numbering of Figures and Tables to Chapter—Figure or
Chapter—Table, respectively, e.g. Figure 1—1. Thus the numbering
restarts in each chapter.
I've done the combined numbering in the Appendix, with a structure of
empty brackets in the auto-numbering format,
e.g. A:<A>.<n+>< >< >< >\t
Should I do the same for the main chapters 1 through 8, or is there
something that I'm missing about the chapter numbering definition of
the book?
Please note that I have multiple paragraph tags for Figures and
Tables, so there are 2 numbering tags but 5 paragraph tags in total:
Figure, FigureWithSource, TableTitle, TableTitleWithSource, and
another paragraph tag for the Figures that are split into panels. The
'with source' paragraphs have a different spacing, ruler and 'next
paragraph' property, because they are followed by a paragraph
indicating the source. However, they are using the same numbering tag,
so there are only 2 numbering tags, one for Figures and one for
Tables. Also, the paragraph tag for split Figures with panels numbered
1a), 1b) uses the same numbering tag. However, these panels are not
included in the List of Figures. The caption for the whole figure that
gets into the LOF is either a paragraph Figure or FigureWithSource.
Again, the goal it to change the numbering to Chapter—Figure or
Chapter—Table, respectively. I guess that I can handle that with the
correct structure in the empty-brackets-approach, where Figure and
FigureWithSource have to use the same item in the list. To get the
'Figures with panels', I'll probably need another item in the
structure. Again, the question is whether there is a better way of
doing this, using the chapter numbering definition in the book? Is it
possible to use a variable definition like <$chapnum> in the
auto-numbering of a paragraph tag?
—> I'm also grateful for any tips how to make these changes across the
book without FrameScript.
—> How bad is it to have 2 chapters in one file? I don't mind to split
the file. I'm asking purely out of curiosity, and I already brace
myself for the outcry this question might provoke.
Last but not least, all these Lists of … are taking up too much space.
The closest that I could move them together is to start each file on
the next available page. Is it possible to have all the List of
Figures, Tables, and Paragraphs in one file but as three separate
lists?
Thanks in advance for any suggestion.
Dona
