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You and your team might be interested in these free webinars (see message 1). John -----Original Message----- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of framers-requ...@lists.frameusers.com Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 3:00 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Framers Digest, Vol 41, Issue 20 Send Framers mailing list submissions to framers@lists.frameusers.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/listinfo/framers or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to framers-requ...@lists.frameusers.com You can reach the person managing the list at framers-ow...@lists.frameusers.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Framers digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Free webinars (April): Ten FM Tips ? PDFs with Form Fields ? ToolbarPlus Express (Shlomo Perets) 2. Printing Structured View in Frame 8 (Tony Tasillo) 3. RE: Frame 9 UI Scren Mode and Tab Icon Issues (Megha Chaitanya) 4. Printing PDF book to separate files (kgrace4...@aol.com) 5. Re: Printing Structured View in Frame 8 (Yves Barbion) 6. Re: Printing Structured View in Frame 8 (Peter Gold) 7. hyperlinks to files, to directories (also, reference work on hyperlinks in FM) (tom.k...@kodak.com) 8. Another free webinar hosted by MadCap Software (Sharon Burton) 9. RE: Frame 9 UI Scren Mode and Tab Icon Issues (Pinkham, Jim) 10. Structured docs or conditional text (Carl Yorke) 11. RE: Structured docs or conditional text (David Spreadbury) 12. Re: Structured docs or conditional text (qui...@airmail.net) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 16:37:32 +0200 From: Shlomo Perets <shlo...@microtype.com> Subject: Free webinars (April): Ten FM Tips ? PDFs with Form Fields ? ToolbarPlus Express To: fram...@frameusers.com, fram...@omsys.com, t...@techcommpros.com, frame2acro...@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20090324141131.02add...@mail.bezeqint.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Free webinars (1 hour each, starting 10am PDT | 1pm EDT | 17pm UTC/GMT): * Ten FrameMaker Tips (from the "Improve Your FrameMaker Skills" series), April 2 [for additional info or to register: https://www1.gotomeeting.com/register/460308766 ] * Enhancing PDFs with Form Fields (using FM-to-Acrobat TimeSavers + Form Asst), April 6 [for additional info or to register: https://www1.gotomeeting.com/register/690502383 ] * FrameMaker Productivity with ToolbarPlus Express, April 16 [for additional info or to register: https://www1.gotomeeting.com/register/680358340 ] Shlomo Perets MicroType * http://www.microtype.com FrameMaker/Acrobat training & consulting * FM-to-Acrobat TimeSavers/Assistants ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 09:49:20 -0500 From: "Tony Tasillo" <tony.tasi...@teexmail.tamu.edu> Subject: Printing Structured View in Frame 8 To: <framers@lists.frameusers.com> Message-ID: <49c8ac9a.55cb.00f...@teexmail.tamu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Is there a way to print the structured view of a file in Frame 8? I would like to print this particular view to use as a sample of the structure for a meeting but want to be able print the entire document not just a few screen captures. Thank you, Tony Tasillo Project Specialist and Customer Service Relations Representative TEEX Operations 301 Tarrow Drive, Suite 268 College Station, TX 77840-7896 Phone: 979/458-6029 Fax: 979/458-6822 tony.tasi...@teexmail.tamu.edu ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 18:41:29 +0530 From: Megha Chaitanya <me...@adobe.com> Subject: RE: Frame 9 UI Scren Mode and Tab Icon Issues To: "framers@lists.frameusers.com" <framers@lists.frameusers.com> Message-ID: <211588a808ee03429ead2863e8a4434db76527a...@indiambx01.corp.adobe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi Oran, Regarding your points, 1. I cannot get the Paragraph Formatting tool bar Tab icons to work. On earlier versions I could drag them onto the ruler to add new tabs. While I can move existing tabs on the ruler, I cannot seem to add new with the icons. The tab icons seem inoperative, as I cannot make to do anything through dragging, double-click, etc. I do see the "New Tab Stop" text in the paragraph designer flicker when I click an icon, but nothing else happens . <Megha> To add a tab stop, click a tab stop symbol from Paragraph Format toolbar and click the desired position below the top ruler. Refer to FrameMaker 9 user guide , page 43. 2. If I use the "Screen Mode" icon to select? "Full Screen Mode" the menus correctly disappear. So far the only way I have found to get back out of that mode is to close and reopen the file using keyboard shortcuts. (Ctrl-W) I cannot find a keyboard shortcut or key to get back out, and menu is gone of course. What is interesting is that re-opening the file gives you the menus back, but "Screen Mode" remains in "Full Screen Mode" (checkmark) even though it is not. <Megha> To change the screen mode : -> Right click on the grey area outside document window, then choose Toggle Screen Mode from the context menu. ->You can use the following keyboard shortcuts : Esc S M s for standard screen mode. Esc S M u for full screen with user interface. Esc SM f for full screen. Esc SM t to toggle screen mode. Regards, Megha ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 19:50:07 +0000 (UTC) From: Oran Petersen <orand...@comcast.net> Subject: Frame 9 UI Scren Mode and Tab Icon Issues To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Message-ID: <1081429083.7173841237665007668.javamail.r...@sz0127a.emeryville.ca.mail .comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 I am using TCS2 with Frame 9 with the patch on XP SP3. For me the new user interface seems a little confusing and inconsistent in how it works, but I am figuring out most of it by experimentation and trial & error. The Help file is mostly worthless. Seems they forgot to update it for the new interface and icons in many cases. Two UI items however, escape me. 1. I cannot get the Paragraph Formatting tool bar Tab icons to work. On earlier versions I could drag them onto the ruler to add new tabs. While I can move existing tabs on the ruler, I cannot seem to add new with the icons. The tab icons seem inoperative, as I cannot make to do anything through dragging, double-click, etc. I do see the "New Tab Stop" text in the paragraph designer flicker when I click an icon, but nothing else happens . 2. If I use the "Screen Mode" icon to select? "Full Screen Mode" the menus correctly disappear. So far the only way I have found to get back out of that mode is to close and reopen the file using keyboard shortcuts. (Ctrl-W) I cannot find a keyboard shortcut or key to get back out, and menu is gone of course. What is interesting is that re-opening the file gives you the menus back, but "Screen Mode" remains in "Full Screen Mode" (checkmark) even though it is not. With respect to "Recent Items" on the splash screen and "File>History" I find expected behavior both before and after installing the patch. Seems to work OK for me. Oran Petersen ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 20:05:45 -0500 From: "Mike Wickham" <i...@mikewickham.com> Subject: Re: Frame 9 UI Scren Mode and Tab Icon Issues To: "Oran Petersen" <orand...@comcast.net>, <framers@lists.frameusers.com> Message-ID: <065d5b78791a4ce08d58120a4fd9a...@plecopress> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8"; reply-type=original > 2. If I use the "Screen Mode" icon to select "Full Screen Mode" the menus > correctly disappear. So far the only way I have found to get back out of > that mode is to close and reopen the file using keyboard shortcuts. > (Ctrl-W) I cannot find a keyboard shortcut or key to get back out, and > menu is gone of course. What is interesting is that re-opening the file > gives you the menus back, but "Screen Mode" remains in "Full Screen Mode" > (checkmark) even though it is not. Right-click, then choose Toggle Screen Mode from the context menu. wincmds.cfg lists these shortcuts: Esc S M s for standard screen mode. Esc S M u for full screen with user interface. Esc SM f for full screen. Esc SM t to toggle screen mode. However, none of these shortucts works for me-- only the right-click and Toggle Screen Mode. Mike Wickham ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 20:13:38 -0500 From: "Mike Wickham" <i...@mikewickham.com> Subject: Re: Frame 9 UI Scren Mode and Tab Icon Issues To: "Oran Petersen" <orand...@comcast.net>, <framers@lists.frameusers.com> Message-ID: <23e0b0fc4f8343a5818bd8a2a6991...@plecopress> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8"; reply-type=original > For me the new user interface seems a little confusing and inconsistent in > how it works, but I am > figuring out most of it by experimentation and trial & error. The Help > file is mostly worthless. > Seems they forgot to update it for the new interface and icons in many > cases. You may want to check out the video at this link: http://my.adobe.acrobat.com/p17912987/. It explains a lot about the user interface. Mike Wickham ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ You are currently subscribed to Framers. To unsubscribe send a blank email to http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/listinfo/framers Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. End of Framers Digest, Vol 41, Issue 17 *************************************** ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 08:02:18 -0400 From: kgrace4...@aol.com Subject: Printing PDF book to separate files To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Message-ID: <8cb7a8f83b0b7f0-fe0-3...@webmail-dh12.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I was wondering if anyone knows how to control the output file names of files that are printed when you select the option to print to "Separate Print job for Each Document". I have a book with over 30 files ( more on the way) and by default I am prompted to save the file as XYZ.Book(Chapterfilename.pdf). As you might imagine this can get to be tedious if this has to be performed each time I update the book. I would ideally like to be able to have it print to the individual files without my interaction and automatically giving the output pdf file the name of the respective chapter file. In this example the file would automatically name the file "chapterfilename.pdf". Does anyone have any ideas on achieving this goal? ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 17:25:48 +0100 From: Yves Barbion <yves.barb...@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Printing Structured View in Frame 8 To: Tony Tasillo <tony.tasi...@teexmail.tamu.edu> Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Message-ID: <2d78e7070903240925x799ba6f9ua0c1a8801d48...@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hi Tony I don't know whether you can print the structure view of a file in FrameMaker. oXygen XML Editor, however, has a Tree Editor which is quite similar to Frame's Structure View and you can either print this tree view of an XML document or save it as a JPG image. So, if your file is an XML file, you can download and install a trial version of oXygen XML Editor to print your tree view or you can send your XML file to me and I will print it for you. Hope this helps (a bit). -- Yves Barbion ? Managing Director ? Adobe-Certified FrameMaker Instructor www.scripto.nu ? skype: yves.barbion ? T: +32 494 12 01 89 On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 3:49 PM, Tony Tasillo < tony.tasi...@teexmail.tamu.edu> wrote: > Is there a way to print the structured view of a file in Frame 8? I would > like to print this particular view to use as a sample of the structure for a > meeting but want to be able print the entire document not just a few screen > captures. > > Thank you, > > > > Tony Tasillo > Project Specialist and > Customer Service Relations Representative > > TEEX Operations > 301 Tarrow Drive, Suite 268 > College Station, TX 77840-7896 > > Phone: 979/458-6029 > Fax: 979/458-6822 > tony.tasi...@teexmail.tamu.edu > _______________________________________________ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as yves.barb...@gmail.com. > > Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/yves.barbion%40gmail .com > > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 11:30:59 -0500 From: Peter Gold <pe...@knowhowpro.com> Subject: Re: Printing Structured View in Frame 8 To: Yves Barbion <yves.barb...@gmail.com> Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com, Tony Tasillo <tony.tasi...@teexmail.tamu.edu> Message-ID: <905e72990903240930o23485db5r42a759da0ab25...@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Have you tried the scrolling-window capture feature in screen capture tools like SnagIt? I'm on my Mac now, so I can't try it myself. If you don't have SnagIt, you can download a trial copy, or you can search Google for free Windows screen-capture tools. HTH` Regards, Peter __________________ Peter Gold KnowHow ProServices On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 11:25 AM, Yves Barbion <yves.barb...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Tony > > I don't know whether you can print the structure view of a file in > FrameMaker. ?oXygen XML Editor, however, has a Tree Editor which is quite > similar to Frame's Structure View and you can either print this tree view of > an XML document or save it as a JPG image. > > So, if your file is an XML file, you can download and install a trial > version of oXygen XML Editor to print your tree view or you can send your > XML file to me and I will print it for you. > > Hope this helps (a bit). > > -- > Yves Barbion ? Managing Director ? Adobe-Certified FrameMaker Instructor > www.scripto.nu ?? skype: yves.barbion ?? T: +32 494 12 01 89 > > > On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 3:49 PM, Tony Tasillo < > tony.tasi...@teexmail.tamu.edu> wrote: > >> Is there a way to print the structured view of a file in Frame 8? I would >> like to print this particular view to use as a sample of the structure for a >> meeting but want to be able print the entire document not just a few screen >> captures. >> >> Thank you, >> >> >> >> Tony Tasillo >> Project Specialist and >> Customer Service Relations Representative ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 15:30:35 -0400 From: tom.k...@kodak.com Subject: hyperlinks to files, to directories (also, reference work on hyperlinks in FM) To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Message-ID: <of7a479093.060be200-on85257583.0068645a-85257583.006b2...@knotes.kodak. com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hello, I've looked through many postings related to hyperlinks, without luck. I have a couple questions related to inserting hyperlinks to open a directory and to open a PDF file. My system: FrameMaker 8.0p277 Windows XP, SP2 1. I don't well follow the FrameMaker help information on which hypertext command to use for opening a PDF or a Windows Explorer directory. I've tried two: Go to URL (message URL \\shared\techpubs2\Graphics\Conversion) -- works well for most directories, but not all--see 3. Open document (openlink [many variations on the network location]) -- doesn't work, apparently 2. The use of forward slash and backslash has a bearing, I know. But I don't observe a consistent response to one or the other. I guess that it's also related to the hypertext command I use, or the one I should use. The \ works well for most of the Go to URL uses. 3. One use of Go to URL includes parameters that are changed to another value when I select Edit Hypertext Marker. Original: message URL \\shared\techpubs2\processes\graphic_naming Changed to: message URL \\shared\techpubs2\processes?raphic_naming 4. I have yet to find the right command and parameter set for opening a PDF at a known location. 5. The FrameMaker help is woefully inadequate. I infer that FM supports only a small portion of the possible hypertext command set. (Correct?) I infer that the translation from FrameMaker to PDF also limits the functionality of hypertext. (Correct?) But does anyone have a better resource for understanding what hypertext is available and how it can be exploited? Thanks, Tom Thomas G (Tom) Kohn | Technical Editor | GCG WW Versamark Engineering Services | Eastman Kodak Company | 3000 Research Blvd | Dayton, OH 45420-4003 | tom.k...@kodak.com | +01 937-259-3210 Office | +01 937-271-1484 Mobile | +01 937-259-3784 Fax | www.graphics.kodak.com ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 12:55:16 -0700 From: "Sharon Burton" <sha...@anthrobytes.com> Subject: Another free webinar hosted by MadCap Software To: <framers@lists.frameusers.com> Message-ID: <003201c9acba$76383760$62a8a6...@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" ****Sort of a vendor post**** As you know, MadCap Software is hosting a series of free tool-neutral webinars. The next one is April 9th at 9am Pacific. Planning Topic-based Authoring: Working in a Use Case or Scenario-based Environment Presenter: John Hedtke Time and data: April 9 2009 9am Pacific Sign up: http://www.madcapsoftware.com/demos/webinars.aspx You know topic-based authoring will save you time and effort in your authoring and publishing projects. If you?re working in a use case or scenario development environment, you also know topic-based authoring will make your life easier. This free webinar will walk you thru planning your projects. When we?re done, you?ll have a firm idea of what you need to do with your projects to make sure you deliver on time and in budget. This free webinar is being recorded, so even if the date and time don?t work for you, sign up and you?ll automatically get a link to the recording the next day. sharon Sharon Burton Product Manager MadCap Software Voice: 858-320-0387 x 222 Cell: 951-202-0813 Home office: 951-369-8590 sbur...@madcapsoftware.com IM: sharonvbur...@yahoo.com Blog: http://madcapsoftware.wordpress.com Free tools-neutral webinars: http://www.madcapsoftware.com/demos/webinars.aspx ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 15:30:15 -0500 From: "Pinkham, Jim" <jim.pink...@voith.com> Subject: RE: Frame 9 UI Scren Mode and Tab Icon Issues To: "Megha Chaitanya" <me...@adobe.com>, <framers@lists.frameusers.com> Message-ID: <2bf7198089c96c438f66c74b3f43dd5e04015...@apls0111.euro1.voith.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi, Megha, FWIW and to add what may be a slightly new wrinkle to #2: I'm using FM 9 in TCS 2, with the latest patch, and XP SP 2, and I find that when I toggle in and out of the UI that I do not come back to the spot in the chapter where I was working. Instead, I land at the end of the chapter and have to find my way back. Any suggestions? Jim -----Original Message----- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Megha Chaitanya Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 8:11 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Frame 9 UI Scren Mode and Tab Icon Issues Hi Oran, Regarding your points, 1. I cannot get the Paragraph Formatting tool bar Tab icons to work. On earlier versions I could drag them onto the ruler to add new tabs. While I can move existing tabs on the ruler, I cannot seem to add new with the icons. The tab icons seem inoperative, as I cannot make to do anything through dragging, double-click, etc. I do see the "New Tab Stop" text in the paragraph designer flicker when I click an icon, but nothing else happens . <Megha> To add a tab stop, click a tab stop symbol from Paragraph Format toolbar and click the desired position below the top ruler. Refer to FrameMaker 9 user guide , page 43. 2. If I use the "Screen Mode" icon to select? "Full Screen Mode" the menus correctly disappear. So far the only way I have found to get back out of that mode is to close and reopen the file using keyboard shortcuts. (Ctrl-W) I cannot find a keyboard shortcut or key to get back out, and menu is gone of course. What is interesting is that re-opening the file gives you the menus back, but "Screen Mode" remains in "Full Screen Mode" (checkmark) even though it is not. <Megha> To change the screen mode : -> Right click on the grey area outside document window, then choose Toggle Screen Mode from the context menu. ->You can use the following keyboard shortcuts : Esc S M s for standard screen mode. Esc S M u for full screen with user interface. Esc SM f for full screen. Esc SM t to toggle screen mode. Regards, Megha ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 19:50:07 +0000 (UTC) From: Oran Petersen <orand...@comcast.net> Subject: Frame 9 UI Scren Mode and Tab Icon Issues To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Message-ID: <1081429083.7173841237665007668.javamail.r...@sz0127a.emeryville.ca.mail .comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 I am using TCS2 with Frame 9 with the patch on XP SP3. For me the new user interface seems a little confusing and inconsistent in how it works, but I am figuring out most of it by experimentation and trial & error. The Help file is mostly worthless. Seems they forgot to update it for the new interface and icons in many cases. Two UI items however, escape me. 1. I cannot get the Paragraph Formatting tool bar Tab icons to work. On earlier versions I could drag them onto the ruler to add new tabs. While I can move existing tabs on the ruler, I cannot seem to add new with the icons. The tab icons seem inoperative, as I cannot make to do anything through dragging, double-click, etc. I do see the "New Tab Stop" text in the paragraph designer flicker when I click an icon, but nothing else happens . 2. If I use the "Screen Mode" icon to select? "Full Screen Mode" the menus correctly disappear. So far the only way I have found to get back out of that mode is to close and reopen the file using keyboard shortcuts. (Ctrl-W) I cannot find a keyboard shortcut or key to get back out, and menu is gone of course. What is interesting is that re-opening the file gives you the menus back, but "Screen Mode" remains in "Full Screen Mode" (checkmark) even though it is not. With respect to "Recent Items" on the splash screen and "File>History" I find expected behavior both before and after installing the patch. Seems to work OK for me. Oran Petersen ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 20:05:45 -0500 From: "Mike Wickham" <i...@mikewickham.com> Subject: Re: Frame 9 UI Scren Mode and Tab Icon Issues To: "Oran Petersen" <orand...@comcast.net>, <framers@lists.frameusers.com> Message-ID: <065d5b78791a4ce08d58120a4fd9a...@plecopress> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8"; reply-type=original > 2. If I use the "Screen Mode" icon to select "Full Screen Mode" the > menus correctly disappear. So far the only way I have found to get > back out of that mode is to close and reopen the file using keyboard shortcuts. > (Ctrl-W) I cannot find a keyboard shortcut or key to get back out, and > menu is gone of course. What is interesting is that re-opening the > file gives you the menus back, but "Screen Mode" remains in "Full Screen Mode" > (checkmark) even though it is not. Right-click, then choose Toggle Screen Mode from the context menu. wincmds.cfg lists these shortcuts: Esc S M s for standard screen mode. Esc S M u for full screen with user interface. Esc SM f for full screen. Esc SM t to toggle screen mode. However, none of these shortucts works for me-- only the right-click and Toggle Screen Mode. Mike Wickham ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 20:13:38 -0500 From: "Mike Wickham" <i...@mikewickham.com> Subject: Re: Frame 9 UI Scren Mode and Tab Icon Issues To: "Oran Petersen" <orand...@comcast.net>, <framers@lists.frameusers.com> Message-ID: <23e0b0fc4f8343a5818bd8a2a6991...@plecopress> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8"; reply-type=original > For me the new user interface seems a little confusing and > inconsistent in how it works, but I am figuring out most of it by > experimentation and trial & error. The Help file is mostly worthless. > Seems they forgot to update it for the new interface and icons in many > cases. You may want to check out the video at this link: http://my.adobe.acrobat.com/p17912987/. It explains a lot about the user interface. Mike Wickham ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ You are currently subscribed to Framers. To unsubscribe send a blank email to http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/listinfo/framers Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. End of Framers Digest, Vol 41, Issue 17 *************************************** _______________________________________________ You are currently subscribed to Framers as jim.pink...@voith.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jim.pinkham%40voith. com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 15:10:34 -0700 From: "Carl Yorke" <carl.yo...@playtag.com> Subject: Structured docs or conditional text To: <framers@lists.frameusers.com> Message-ID: <e2c8ca279008ce48a1b777434172fb7386d...@mail.tvhead.local> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi All, I came to tech writing late in life (ten years ago), so there's a lot about it, and technology, that doesn't come naturally. I want to single source my install instructions. All outputs right now are PDF, but I need to document how to install our product for production, for QA, and for demos. In addition, the install instructions vary depending on the hardware. Conditional text seems awfully complex for this situation, and I don't even know if using structured FrameMaker is a possible solution. Any thoughts? Thanks, Carl Yorke TAG Systems Mountain View, CA ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 17:40:04 -0500 From: "David Spreadbury" <dspre...@yahoo.com> Subject: RE: Structured docs or conditional text To: "'Carl Yorke'" <carl.yo...@playtag.com>, <framers@lists.frameusers.com> Message-ID: <007a01c9acd1$7a094520$6e1bcf...@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Carl, The answer is both flavors of Frame will handle Conditional Text with ease, and from what you say below, conditional text is the way to go, whether it be structured or unstructured. A few things to consider: 1) Decide on an input scheme, always put the differences in the document in the same order, i.e., unconditional, condition1, condition2, condition3, etc. If an instance occurs that doesn't use a particular condition, still maintain the overall scheme. 2) When you have two conditions in, turn one off and make sure the sentence reads correct. Change as required. 3) Watch out for table cells. In unstructured Frame, you can conditionalize rows, not columns. In structured Frame, create multiple copies of the table, make the changes, then conditionalize the entire table (at least that has been my experience). 4) You can conditionalize individual content within a cell. 5) In unstructured Frame, watch carefully when selecting entire lines (paragraphs, bullets in lists, etc. Make sure you capture the entire line, including the end-of-line (turn on View Text Symbols). 6) In structured Frame you can select the element in the Structured View, which simplifies matters. 7) Probably a no-brainer, but set your conditions before creating your PDF. The PDF will then contain only the conditions that are turned on in the Frame file. I am sure you will hear from others, either correcting some of the above points or pointing out some options I missed. HTH Dave Spreadbury -----Original Message----- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Carl Yorke Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 5:11 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Structured docs or conditional text Hi All, I came to tech writing late in life (ten years ago), so there's a lot about it, and technology, that doesn't come naturally. I want to single source my install instructions. All outputs right now are PDF, but I need to document how to install our product for production, for QA, and for demos. In addition, the install instructions vary depending on the hardware. Conditional text seems awfully complex for this situation, and I don't even know if using structured FrameMaker is a possible solution. Any thoughts? Thanks, Carl Yorke ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 19:23:10 -0500 From: qui...@airmail.net Subject: Re: Structured docs or conditional text To: Carl Yorke <carl.yo...@playtag.com> Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Message-ID: <49c9796e.1010...@airmail.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed In essence, both can do what you want. Structured language is easier to manage, but more difficult and expensive to initiate. Conditional text will work, you have to know what conditions are exclusive, which are inclusive with which scenarios, and structure the conditions that way. It can be tricky. Scott Carl Yorke wrote: > Hi All, > > I came to tech writing late in life (ten years ago), so there's a lot > about it, and technology, that doesn't come naturally. > > > > I want to single source my install instructions. All outputs right now > are PDF, but I need to document how to install our product for > production, for QA, and for demos. In addition, the install instructions > vary depending on the hardware. > > > > Conditional text seems awfully complex for this situation, and I don't > even know if using structured FrameMaker is a possible solution. > > > > Any thoughts? > > > > Thanks, > > Carl Yorke > > TAG Systems > > Mountain View, CA > > _______________________________________________ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as qui...@airmail.net. > > Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com > or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/quills%40airmail.net > > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > > > ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ You are currently subscribed to Framers. 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