Sorry Dov,... :}
Jeez you guys let up on the poor guy. Dov is not saying anything new.
In fact these things have been the case for years.
There are few people that have the experience that Dov has and take
most old-timers word for it on this list, and others, you are well
advised to take his advice on board.
Alan
On 26/07/2010, at 7:00 AM, Dov Isaacs wrote:
Steve,
I never said that "Adobe says you should not install the same version
of Reader and Acrobat on the same system." That does not exist as an
official recommendation from either Adobe Technical Support or from
the
Acrobat development organization. Having said that, as THE person
within
Adobe who deals with more of these PDF publishing workflow issues
(producing, viewing, manipulating, and printing PDF files) than anyone
else (since Acrobat 1.0) within Adobe and most anyone else in the
industry,
I do believe that it is my responsibility to the end user community to
share my experiences and recommendations.
No one is forcing you to accept my recommendations and you don't
have to
accept my credentials for making those recommendations. And as I
previously
mentioned, I don't believe that a concurrent installation of Acrobat
and Reader of the same version are the cause of the OP's originally-
described problem. But don't fool yourself into thinking that you are
doing any more due diligence in terms of testing a PDF file by opening
it on the same system in Reader as you created on with Acrobat.
And FWIW, the fact that the Acrobat and Reader installers don't
prohibit
concurrent installation of Acrobat and Reader of the same version
doesn't
mean that it is prudent or that I support it. My recommendations to
the
Acrobat group over the years have been to disallow such
installation; my
recommendations to you, the end users, is not to do such
installations - I
have been very consistent about this particular issue. (And there are
a number of other issues where rational recommendations that I make
that
would improve your use of Acrobat are not acted upon by the Acrobat
group.
For good example of this - there is no good reason why the "Standard"
joboptions of Acrobat exempt certain "system fonts" from being
embedded
in PDF files; that causes all sorts of problems later in workflows.
One of
the first things I do after installation of Acrobat is to fix the
system
permissions and modify the "Standard" joboptions to much more rational
settings. Note that Acrobat's web capture and Outlook PDF conversion
do
not give you a choice as to which joboptions to use - they always use
"Standard" and thus, you'd better fix them if you want usable
results!)
- Dov
-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Johnson [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2010 11:10 AM
To: Dov Isaacs
Cc: Framers E-mail List
Subject: Re: Acrobat 9 - a disaster
Show me in writing where Adobe says you should not install the same
version of Reader and Acrobat on the same system. I cannot find it.
It's not on the download page of either product, which is where it
should be. All I can find is info saying you should not install two
different versions of the same product.
Even though you're an authority, all I have seen is unsupported
statements like this saying "I heard that Adobe says you should not
do
this" but where is the statement against it saying why not? And if
it's so dadgum important, why do the two products allow themselves to
be installed side by side?
For several versions now, you cannot run both Acrobat and Reader at
the same time. I think you're right that Acrobat doesn't install
Reader. I must have done the Reader install separately.
The thing about wanting both Reader and Pro because of print/view
differences is a few versions old but I remember there being
situations in the past where viewing and printing with each product
had differences.
On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 12:33 PM, Dov Isaacs <[email protected]>
wrote:
Guy,
See previous responses. Yes, there are UI differences between
Acrobat and Reader, but unless you are invoking rather complex
Javascript routines that invoke functions that are allowed in
Acrobat but not Reader, other than font issues (you should NEVER,
repeat NEVER, repeat once again NEVER generate PDF files with
unembedded fonts), you should not see any real differences between
rendering in Acrobat versus Reader - and the font issue itself
would mean that you need to run in a separate environment to gauge
the effects of unembedded fonts.
- Dov
-----Original Message-----
From: Guy K. Haas [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2010 7:57 AM
To: Dov Isaacs
Cc: Framers E-mail List
Subject: Re: Acrobat 9 - a disaster
But, Dov---
I have both installed so that when a reviewer runs into a
problem, I can
"see it their way". The interfaces of the two are so different
that
it's sometimes handy to be able to do this.
Would it be any less "NOT RECOMMENDED" if one had the Reader on a
removable drive (such as a USB drive) and plugged it in only when
needed?
--Guy K. Haas
Software Exegete in Silicon Valley
On 7/25/2010 7:23 AM, Dov Isaacs wrote:
Although you CAN have both Reader and Acrobat installed
simultaneously
(assuming the same version), it is very strongly NOT RECOMMENDED
for a
number of very good reasons. It certainly does not add any
functionality
to one's system. Having said that, I will add that having both
Reader and
Acrobat of the same version on a system is most unlikely to
cause the
symptoms described.
- Dov
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