One proverbial "more thing" ... In the mif file, there are actually two markers 
back to back, separated by the word "The ":

      <MType 2>
      <MTypeName `Index'>
      <MText `Coinage:Debasement:Coinage Act of 1965'>
      <MCurrPage `112'>
      <Unique 1027096>
     > # end of Marker
     <String `The '>
      <MType 2>
      <MTypeName `Index'>
      <MText `America:Coinage Act of 1965'>
      <MCurrPage `112'>
      <Unique 1026673>
     > # end of Marker

The first (3 levels) works, the second (two levels) fails. These are in the 
same document, on the same page, constructed in what
appears to me to be the same manner in every respect. 

Shall I unsheathe my sword, in case falling on it becomes appealing? :)

Well, not sure what to do next. 

Best to all, and many thanks,

-----Original Message-----
From: VLM TechSubs [] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 8:33 PM
To: 'Frank Stearns'
Cc: 'Framers'
Subject: RE: FM 8: Index marker syntax

Okay ...

I closed FM, reopened FM, saved every file in the book as mif, closed FM, moved 
all the .fm files to another directory, relaunched
FM, opened and saved the book and each file back as .fm, saved and closed 
everything, shut FM, relaunched FM, reopened everything,
saved everything, generated, and poof ... same result. 

Sigh ... (again)

So as Frank suggested, I traced one of the faulty markers into the mif file for 
the source chapter, and it says:

      <MType 2>
      <MTypeName `Index'>
      <MText `America:Coinage Act of 1965'>
      <MCurrPage `112'>
      <Unique 1026673>
     > # end of Marker

which looks fine to me, but someone more knowledgeable might spot something 
that I'm missing.

Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated! And Frank, if you really are willing 
to look at the file, I'd be most grateful and eager.

Best to all,

-----Original Message-----
From: VLM TechSubs [] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 7:59 PM
To: 'Frank Stearns'
Cc: 'Framers'
Subject: RE: FM 8: Index marker syntax

Oh, I don't know what I was thinking. I've got a mif file open in Notepad++, no 
problem. Will write more in a bit. 

-----Original Message-----
From: VLM TechSubs [] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 6:43 PM
To: 'Frank Stearns'
Cc: 'Framers'
Subject: RE: FM 8: Index marker syntax

Thanks Frank, Robert, Jeremy, et. al. I so appreciate your help!

More info:

1. I now see that even a simple marker entry "<Emphasis>Eisphora" has this 
problem. It appears in the "correct" location
alphabetically, it just looks like

    . . . . . . 1

2. The original files were created in Word, but with no indexing. I put in 100% 
of these markers by hand, by myself, this week, in
FrameMaker 8. In other words, they "shouldn't" be affected by Word or the like. 
FYI, the ToC works just fine. 

3. I just did the following:

3.1 Shut Frame.
3.2 Relaunched Frame.
3.3 Opened book file.
3.4 Opened all files in book. Got some font and xref error messages, clicked 
through those. 
3.5 Highlighted, then saved, all files in book.
3.6 Generated ToC and index. 
3.7 Saved all files in book.
3.8 Opened index.
3.9 Found one of the offending entries, jumped to its source. It was a compound 
marker (2 entries in one marker). 
3.10 I copied one of the entries for reference, clicked in the document a few 
words away, and manually typed in the text for the
marker "America:Income tax of 1894", just like that.
3.11 Went to book file, all files selected, save all files in book, then 
3.12 Entry appears in the correct location, without any text only page #, and 
when I jump from that page number it takes me to the
new marker I just created. 
3.13 So I jump there, notice that the original marker is still in place, delete 
it, returned to 3.7 or so, repeated the whole
process, same result. 
3.14 Saved the index as mif, closed it, deleted the .fm version, reopened from 
mif, saved as FM 8, went to book, save all files in
book, generate, save all files in book, jump to index, and voila! Same result 
as before. 

Sigh ...

BTW, between steps, I recall breathing. :)

Frank, I am most willing and eager to try your step #4, but I've forgotten how 
to open the mif as text in Frame, after saving it.


-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Stearns [] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 6:03 PM
To: VLM TechSubs
Cc: Framers
Subject: Re: FM 8: Index marker syntax

On Wed, 2 Oct 2013, VLM TechSubs wrote:

> Greetings!

> I'm going in circles here. I have a marker of type Index with the 
> content "America:Coinage Act of 1965". This appears in the index as a 
> line under "America", indented to the second level (correct so far), 
> but with only a page number, no text. I copied and pasted the marker 
> content into the preceding line. I must be missing something, but I 
> cannot figure out what. I have removed and recreated the marker from 
> scratch, to no avail. Can someone see an error on my part here?

If entered as stated, you should be fine.

But, after having specialized in FM indexes for 20+ years, we have seen some 
odd things happen with markers...

1. Was this document originally created in Word then imported to FM? 
Sometimes those converted markers are "dirty" and contain unseen, unprintable 
characters that can cause odd FM behavior. BTW, there
is NO CR or LF in the entry, correct? Your entry is one string, on one line in 
the marker?

2. Try a "MIF wash." But this won't remove unwanted "bad" characters. 
It will just refresh/rebuild the object lists.

3. For fun, put a new marker, hand typed, at or near the same place (no copy 
and paste). Does that new entry work?

4. If you're really adventurous, save as MIF, search for the entry, and see 
what all might be included with that marker. (Relates to

If all of the above fails, feel free to send us a copy of the doc for 

Hope this helps,

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