Is there an index marker for "America" by itself? Conceivably that
could affect what's nested underneath it.

On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 10:34 PM, VLM TechSubs
<techs...@vibrantlivingministries.org> wrote:
> One proverbial "more thing" ... In the mif file, there are actually two 
> markers back to back, separated by the word "The ":
>
> <Marker
>       <MType 2>
>       <MTypeName `Index'>
>       <MText `Coinage:Debasement:Coinage Act of 1965'>
>       <MCurrPage `112'>
>       <Unique 1027096>
>      > # end of Marker
>      <String `The '>
>      <Marker
>       <MType 2>
>       <MTypeName `Index'>
>       <MText `America:Coinage Act of 1965'>
>       <MCurrPage `112'>
>       <Unique 1026673>
>      > # end of Marker
>
> The first (3 levels) works, the second (two levels) fails. These are in the 
> same document, on the same page, constructed in what
> appears to me to be the same manner in every respect.
>
> Shall I unsheathe my sword, in case falling on it becomes appealing? :)
>
> Well, not sure what to do next.
>
> Best to all, and many thanks,
> Elchanan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: VLM TechSubs [mailto:techs...@vibrantlivingministries.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 8:33 PM
> To: 'Frank Stearns'
> Cc: 'Framers'
> Subject: RE: FM 8: Index marker syntax
>
> Okay ...
>
> I closed FM, reopened FM, saved every file in the book as mif, closed FM, 
> moved all the .fm files to another directory, relaunched
> FM, opened and saved the book and each file back as .fm, saved and closed 
> everything, shut FM, relaunched FM, reopened everything,
> saved everything, generated, and poof ... same result.
>
> Sigh ... (again)
>
> So as Frank suggested, I traced one of the faulty markers into the mif file 
> for the source chapter, and it says:
>
> <Marker
>       <MType 2>
>       <MTypeName `Index'>
>       <MText `America:Coinage Act of 1965'>
>       <MCurrPage `112'>
>       <Unique 1026673>
>      > # end of Marker
>
> which looks fine to me, but someone more knowledgeable might spot something 
> that I'm missing.
>
> Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated! And Frank, if you really are 
> willing to look at the file, I'd be most grateful and eager.
> :)
>
> Best to all,
> Elchanan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: VLM TechSubs [mailto:techs...@vibrantlivingministries.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 7:59 PM
> To: 'Frank Stearns'
> Cc: 'Framers'
> Subject: RE: FM 8: Index marker syntax
>
> Oh, I don't know what I was thinking. I've got a mif file open in Notepad++, 
> no problem. Will write more in a bit.
> Elchanan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: VLM TechSubs [mailto:techs...@vibrantlivingministries.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 6:43 PM
> To: 'Frank Stearns'
> Cc: 'Framers'
> Subject: RE: FM 8: Index marker syntax
>
> Thanks Frank, Robert, Jeremy, et. al. I so appreciate your help!
>
> More info:
>
> 1. I now see that even a simple marker entry "<Emphasis>Eisphora" has this 
> problem. It appears in the "correct" location
> alphabetically, it just looks like
>
>     . . . . . . 1
>
> 2. The original files were created in Word, but with no indexing. I put in 
> 100% of these markers by hand, by myself, this week, in
> FrameMaker 8. In other words, they "shouldn't" be affected by Word or the 
> like. FYI, the ToC works just fine.
>
> 3. I just did the following:
>
> 3.1 Shut Frame.
> 3.2 Relaunched Frame.
> 3.3 Opened book file.
> 3.4 Opened all files in book. Got some font and xref error messages, clicked 
> through those.
> 3.5 Highlighted, then saved, all files in book.
> 3.6 Generated ToC and index.
> 3.7 Saved all files in book.
> 3.8 Opened index.
> 3.9 Found one of the offending entries, jumped to its source. It was a 
> compound marker (2 entries in one marker).
> 3.10 I copied one of the entries for reference, clicked in the document a few 
> words away, and manually typed in the text for the
> marker "America:Income tax of 1894", just like that.
> 3.11 Went to book file, all files selected, save all files in book, then 
> generate.
> 3.12 Entry appears in the correct location, without any text only page #, and 
> when I jump from that page number it takes me to the
> new marker I just created.
> 3.13 So I jump there, notice that the original marker is still in place, 
> delete it, returned to 3.7 or so, repeated the whole
> process, same result.
> 3.14 Saved the index as mif, closed it, deleted the .fm version, reopened 
> from mif, saved as FM 8, went to book, save all files in
> book, generate, save all files in book, jump to index, and voila! Same result 
> as before.
>
> Sigh ...
>
> BTW, between steps, I recall breathing. :)
>
> Frank, I am most willing and eager to try your step #4, but I've forgotten 
> how to open the mif as text in Frame, after saving it.
> ???
>
> Thanks,
> Elchanan
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Frank Stearns [mailto:fra...@fsatools.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 6:03 PM
> To: VLM TechSubs
> Cc: Framers
> Subject: Re: FM 8: Index marker syntax
>
>
> On Wed, 2 Oct 2013, VLM TechSubs wrote:
>
>> Greetings!
>
>> I'm going in circles here. I have a marker of type Index with the
>> content "America:Coinage Act of 1965". This appears in the index as a
>> line under "America", indented to the second level (correct so far),
>> but with only a page number, no text. I copied and pasted the marker
>> content into the preceding line. I must be missing something, but I
>> cannot figure out what. I have removed and recreated the marker from
>> scratch, to no avail. Can someone see an error on my part here?
>
> If entered as stated, you should be fine.
>
> But, after having specialized in FM indexes for 20+ years, we have seen some 
> odd things happen with markers...
>
> 1. Was this document originally created in Word then imported to FM?
> Sometimes those converted markers are "dirty" and contain unseen, unprintable 
> characters that can cause odd FM behavior. BTW, there
> is NO CR or LF in the entry, correct? Your entry is one string, on one line 
> in the marker?
>
> 2. Try a "MIF wash." But this won't remove unwanted "bad" characters.
> It will just refresh/rebuild the object lists.
>
> 3. For fun, put a new marker, hand typed, at or near the same place (no copy 
> and paste). Does that new entry work?
>
> 4. If you're really adventurous, save as MIF, search for the entry, and see 
> what all might be included with that marker. (Relates to
> #1,
> above.)
>
> If all of the above fails, feel free to send us a copy of the doc for 
> evaluation.
>
> Hope this helps,
>
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