Hi, folks.

The Adobe credit card compromise issue may be something you all want to deal 
with ASAP.

My son did indeed receive an e-mail from Adobe about the breach. HOWEVER, this 
is the most important thing. This morning, I received a fraud alert from 
American Express and just got off the phone with them.

Three charges were attempted today on the card that I had in place with Adobe - 
fortunately, all were rejected and the card now has to be replaced.

Which means I have to run around and change it everywhere that I had it set up 
for automated payments. And the two International trips I have coming up are 
going to need special handling for me to avoid having problems at airports.

Argh!

I would strongly recommend to you all that if you had a credit card on file 
with them, to replace your card as soon as possible. American Express is 
particularly good about these issues, but Visa and Mastercard are sloppy and 
they may not notify you about any fraud issues till you see it yourself when 
you get your bill. Yes, you will be protected, but the crooks may get away with 
some purchases first - please don't let them!

Z

-----Original Message-----
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Syed Zaeem Hosain 
(syed.hos...@aeris.net)
Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 7:05 PM
To: Alan T Litchfield; framers@lists.frameusers.com Forum
Subject: RE: Adobe was hacked

I would also add that the Adobe Cloud model subscription *requires* us to keep 
a credit card on file with them for their monthly charge.

My teen-age son has an Academic Creative Cloud account with Adobe for his High 
School class on Graphic Arts - it automatically charges a monthly amount to 
*my* credit card every month. This was done with the expectation that it would 
be secure.

*If* it has been compromised, I *sure would like to know* positively one way or 
another! While I have not seen any unusual charges on my credit card account 
(just checked), this is very important.

Changing the card number can be painful - I'd have to change a number of 
automatic charges that are scheduled to it.

Plus, you can have other problems. For example, problems with the airline 
tickets for International travel (that I have already booked for the next few 
months). My wife got stuck at an airport once for many hours because they would 
not let her transit ... she had lost her card, got a replacement, but the 
ticket was on the old one that she did not have anymore! I had to get Amex to 
write and fax a letter to the airport authorities to allow her to proceed!

Sigh ...

Z

-----Original Message-----
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Alan T Litchfield
Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 3:47 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Forum
Subject: Re: Adobe was hacked

The increased threat is the adoption of subscription payments where previously 
different mechanisms were used to pay for this stuff. Now, much is online and 
therefore vulnerable.

It is the point you make that is the issue (and the answer to your own 
question). What happens when your license expires? When a person takes the 
default the option to have credit card details saved and reused at renewal 
time, then that opens the doors for the criminal element to "have a go". That 
is an increased threat.

Why should we trust a corporation for whom we have no direct relationship, 
especially those who work within? A corporation that wants no relationship with 
us except to provide a product and dictates a payment method that provides the 
threat of harm? Yet, there is an expectation of trust when credit card and 
other details are provided.  
Adobe plays a patriarchal role in selectively ignoring pleas from its customers 
(dependants) and in return those dependants respond with increased offerings of 
trust and forgiveness when any kind of weakness on the part of the patriarch is 
displayed. Dependants are caused to question their own values and belief in the 
system when they ought to be questioning the system's values and making demands 
that services are provided so that trust is warranted.

Alan


On 5/10/2013, at 10:08 AM, Robert Lauriston wrote:

> What increased threat? Trial, subscription, and purchase are identical 
> except for if and when the license expires.
>
> On Fri, Oct 4, 2013 at 12:50 PM, Alan T Litchfield 
> <a...@alphabyte.co.nz
> > wrote:
>
>> umm, is this a good time to bring up the new subscription licensing 
>> model and its inherent weaknesses (or should I say the increased 
>> threat of harm through attack and incompetent data management
>> practices) ?

--
Dr Alan Litchfield
AlphaByte
PO Box 1941, Auckland, 1140
New Zealand
http://www.alphabyte.co.nz

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