This issue that Beverly has run into has been the bane of my life several times 
The "As Is" thing in Character Styles just doesn't work for font size if it's 
ever been applied to any existing paragraph style - instead it keeps applying 
the font size of that paragraph.
The only way I've been able to get these kind of character styles to work (i.e. 
ones which just change the font or colour of text, without changing font size) 
is to create them from scratch when the cursor isn't currently within any 
existing paragraph style - otherwise you're lumbered with the wrong font size.


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Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 17:31:04 -0500
From: Fred Ridder <>
To: Beverly Robinson <>,
        "" <>
Subject: RE: Character Tag "As Is" setting--isn't
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You've identified one of the long-standing inconsistencies in the FrameMaker 
UI.  In the Size box of the Character Designer dialog, the "as is" state is 
indicated by emptiness. Same with Spread and Stretch. All three of these 
properties allow a continuous range of values rather than being picked from a 
finite list, and I suspect that this fact complicated the ability to explicitly 
indicate "As Is" in the box for some reason. 

If you have already applied the Hyperlink tag to anything when it had a 
specified size of 11 pt, that size is now a property of the text. It will not 
change when you redefine the character format of the tag to be "as is" because 
the "as is" size is 11 pt. If the character tag is applied within the 
cross-reference format, I believe you'll need to reinsert the cross-reference 
to get the oversize characters to revert to the underlying paragraph 
specification for your table footnote. 

-Fred Ridder 

Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 16:05:22 -0600
Subject: Character Tag "As Is" setting--isn't

FrameMaker on Windows 7 64-bit My template has a  character tag, 
Hyperlink, that makes text blue. The Size setting had been at 11 pt, the size 
for Body paragraphs. Recently I needed to use the tag in a cross-reference in a 
table footnote. Table footnotes are 9 pt. So I changed the Size setting to As 
Is but:?         After clicking As Is, the Size control doesn?t say ?As 
Is??it?s blank.?         Hyperlink text in table footnotes is larger than 9 pt. 
FrameMaker help says nothing about this anomaly and I didn?t see anything 
similar in the first 5 pages on the FrameMaker user forum. Has anyone else run 
into this? Found a solution? Thanks for your help,Beverly

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