Sorry David, but it's your workflow that's tripping you up.

I'm sure there are other methods, but here's how I've consistently and confidently defined/updated character tags for many years:
  1. Click outside the text flow
  2. Open the Character Designer
  3. Choose your tag from the drop down menu
  4. Define properties as needed
  5. If a point size, or any other unwanted property is defined, set it to As Is, and hit Update All.

From now on, it'll work as expected. For any bolloxed formatting, reset to the Default ParaTag, and reapply the Character Tag.

But... if you try to change properties of the character tag while your cursor is in a text flow, the Character Designer will display all values for all properties at that position in the text. Thus, if you change something and hit Update All, it'll take you at your word, and replace all your lovely As Is properties with actual values.

Bottom line: Never update a character tag with your cursor in the text flow. Unless you like screwed up tags.


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On Nov 19, 2013, at 1:56 AM, "Davis, David" <david.da...@invensys.com> wrote:

This issue that Beverly has run into has been the bane of my life several times now.
The "As Is" thing in Character Styles just doesn't work for font size if it's ever been applied to any existing paragraph style - instead it keeps applying the font size of that paragraph.
The only way I've been able to get these kind of character styles to work (i.e. ones which just change the font or colour of text, without changing font size) is to create them from scratch when the cursor isn't currently within any existing paragraph style - otherwise you're lumbered with the wrong font size.

David


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Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 17:31:04 -0500
From: Fred Ridder <docu...@hotmail.com>
To: Beverly Robinson <beverly_robin...@datacard.com>,
"framers@lists.frameusers.com" <framers@lists.frameusers.com>
Subject: RE: Character Tag "As Is" setting--isn't
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You've identified one of the long-standing inconsistencies in the FrameMaker UI.  In the Size box of the Character Designer dialog, the "as is" state is indicated by emptiness. Same with Spread and Stretch. All three of these properties allow a continuous range of values rather than being picked from a finite list, and I suspect that this fact complicated the ability to explicitly indicate "As Is" in the box for some reason.

If you have already applied the Hyperlink tag to anything when it had a specified size of 11 pt, that size is now a property of the text. It will not change when you redefine the character format of the tag to be "as is" because the "as is" size is 11 pt. If the character tag is applied within the cross-reference format, I believe you'll need to reinsert the cross-reference to get the oversize characters to revert to the underlying paragraph specification for your table footnote.

-Fred Ridder

From: beverly_robin...@datacard.com
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 16:05:22 -0600
Subject: Character Tag "As Is" setting--isn't

FrameMaker 10.0.2.419 on Windows 7 64-bit My template has a  character tag, Hyperlink, that makes text blue. The Size setting had been at 11 pt, the size for Body paragraphs. Recently I needed to use the tag in a cross-reference in a table footnote. Table footnotes are 9 pt. So I changed the Size setting to As Is but:?         After clicking As Is, the Size control doesn?t say ?As Is??it?s blank.?         Hyperlink text in table footnotes is larger than 9 pt. FrameMaker help says nothing about this anomaly and I didn?t see anything similar in the first 5 pages on the FrameMaker user forum. Has anyone else run into this? Found a solution? Thanks for your help,Beverly
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