Hi Gary When I tried to open your TempNext file I got a message that it needed as "converter". Did you get a new version of Word that is not compatible with earlier versions or is it a corrupt file? I am opening other Word inputs without issue. Sometimes e-mail will mess up an attachment. Please re-send. If a new Word version, please downsave to an earlier version. Thanks Oran
PS: you are the April cover car. Nice write-up. -------------- Original message -------------- From: [email protected] > Send Framers mailing list submissions to > framers at lists.frameusers.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/listinfo/framers > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > framers-request at lists.frameusers.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > framers-owner at lists.frameusers.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Framers digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. RE: FM abruptly closes with no save (Diane Gaskill) > 2. Re: FM abruptly closes with no save (Yves Barbion) > 3. Re: IXgen Key Word (Art Campbell) > 4. Re: FM abruptly closes with no save (Mike Wickham) > 5. RE: FM abruptly closes with no save (richard.melanson at us.tel.com) > 6. FM*.TMP files cause Instability (Owen, Clint) > 7. Recovery (Harold Winberg) > 8. RE: Recovery (Michael O'Neill) > 9. Re: Recovery (Art Campbell) > 10. RE: Recovery (Gagne, Bernard (Bolton)) > 11. RE: Recovery (Fred Ridder) > 12. Re: Recovery (Stuart Rogers) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 02:02:59 -0800 > From: "Diane Gaskill" > Subject: RE: FM abruptly closes with no save > To: > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Hi Framers, > > I run FM8.02 on a laptop running XPSP2 with 2GB of RAM. I have recently > experienced several crashes in situations that I never had crashes with when > using FM7.0. Sometimes it saves and I get a recovery file, but most of the > time it does not save, it just halts and the FM window closes. When it > comes back up, it acts like nothing happened. No error messages, no > nothing. Business as usual. Wot, who me? > > I know that Adobe people do monitor this list (and have for many years) so I > need to ask - what is the best way to report this? I have a couple of dumps > I can send. > > I'd also suggest to the other FM users on the list who have posted about > their crashes, that they report their crashes too. Posting them on the list > is good and maybe someone knows a workaround for some situations, but the > more Adobe has to work with, the better chance they have of finding the bug > and fixing it. It sounds like a bug to me. > > Diane Gaskill > (former tech support engineer) > ================================= > > > -----Original Message----- > From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com > [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com]On Behalf Of Brewster, > Christopher C > Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 8:08 AM > To: framers at lists.frameusers.com > Subject: RE: FM abruptly closes with no save > > > I think the memory issue is indeed the cause for this. I did my process > again and saved after each insertion. No problems occurred. But I think > software should handle a memory issue much more gracefully than simply > closing without saving-such as warning me, or refusing to execute the > step that would make it close. (Do Adobe people monitor this list?) > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Dennis Brunnenmeyer [mailto:dennisb at kvmr.org] > Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 8:50 PM > To: Shmuel Wolfson > Cc: Brewster, Christopher C; framers at lists.frameusers.com > Subject: Re: FM abruptly closes with no save > > > > Hi... > > No one in this thread has mentioned that, when working with graphics, > FrameMaker likes to have plenty of RAM available to it, especially if > other applications are open and also have images loaded. There's no > "rule of thumb" that I know of, but I wouldn't attempt to do much with > multiple graphic files unless I had at least 1GB or preferably 2GB or > more of RAM on my system. 512MB or less is an invitation to a crash. > > Dennis Brunnenmeyer > eMail: dennisb /at/ chronometrics /dot/ com > > ********************************************** > > At 09:14 AM 2/13/2008, Shmuel Wolfson wrote: > > > > I've had it close when scrolling a document that has embedded Corel > graphics, when I scrolled too fast and did not wait for the embedded > graphics to appear. > > > Regards, > Shmuel Wolfson > 052-763-7133 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as dgcaller at earthlink.net. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/dgcaller%40earthlink.net > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 10:20:56 +0100 > From: Yves Barbion > Subject: Re: FM abruptly closes with no save > To: Diane Gaskill > Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com > Message-ID: <47DA4378.8000008 at gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Indeed Diane, > > I have also experienced some crashes with Frame 8 (and I'm also running > XPSP2 with 2 GB of RAM). When I did the same actions in Frame 7.2, > everything was fine. > > I do hope the Adobe people are monitoring this list and that we get a > patch soon which makes Frame 8.0 crash-proof. > > Stability has always been one of the key features of FrameMaker. I hope > I can keep emphasizing this in my future Frame sales pitches. > > > > Kind regards > > Yves Barbion > Adobe-Certified FrameMaker Instructor > Scripto > Belgium > > > > Diane Gaskill wrote: > > Hi Framers, > > > > I run FM8.02 on a laptop running XPSP2 with 2GB of RAM. I have recently > > experienced several crashes in situations that I never had crashes with > > when > > using FM7.0. Sometimes it saves and I get a recovery file, but most of the > > time it does not save, it just halts and the FM window closes. When it > > comes back up, it acts like nothing happened. No error messages, no > > nothing. Business as usual. Wot, who me? > > > > I know that Adobe people do monitor this list (and have for many years) so > > I > > need to ask - what is the best way to report this? I have a couple of dumps > > I can send. > > > > I'd also suggest to the other FM users on the list who have posted about > > their crashes, that they report their crashes too. Posting them on the list > > is good and maybe someone knows a workaround for some situations, but the > > more Adobe has to work with, the better chance they have of finding the bug > > and fixing it. It sounds like a bug to me. > > > > Diane Gaskill > > (former tech support engineer) > > ================================= > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com > > [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com]On Behalf Of Brewster, > > Christopher C > > Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 8:08 AM > > To: framers at lists.frameusers.com > > Subject: RE: FM abruptly closes with no save > > > > > > I think the memory issue is indeed the cause for this. I did my process > > again and saved after each insertion. No problems occurred. But I think > > software should handle a memory issue much more gracefully than simply > > closing without saving-such as warning me, or refusing to execute the > > step that would make it close. (Do Adobe people monitor this list?) > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > From: Dennis Brunnenmeyer [mailto:dennisb at kvmr.org] > > Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 8:50 PM > > To: Shmuel Wolfson > > Cc: Brewster, Christopher C; framers at lists.frameusers.com > > Subject: Re: FM abruptly closes with no save > > > > > > > > Hi... > > > > No one in this thread has mentioned that, when working with graphics, > > FrameMaker likes to have plenty of RAM available to it, especially if > > other applications are open and also have images loaded. There's no > > "rule of thumb" that I know of, but I wouldn't attempt to do much with > > multiple graphic files unless I had at least 1GB or preferably 2GB or > > more of RAM on my system. 512MB or less is an invitation to a crash. > > > > Dennis Brunnenmeyer > > eMail: dennisb /at/ chronometrics /dot/ com > > > > ********************************************** > > > > At 09:14 AM 2/13/2008, Shmuel Wolfson wrote: > > > > > > > > I've had it close when scrolling a document that has embedded Corel > > graphics, when I scrolled too fast and did not wait for the embedded > > graphics to appear. > > > > > > Regards, > > Shmuel Wolfson > > 052-763-7133 > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as dgcaller at earthlink.net. > > > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > > or visit > > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/dgcaller%40earthlink.net > > > > > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as yves.barbion at gmail.com. > > > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/yves.barbion%40gmail.com > > > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 07:52:25 -0400 > From: "Art Campbell" > Subject: Re: IXgen Key Word > To: "Harold Winberg" , "Frame > Users" > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Harold/Les, > You're missing a step somewhere. > 1. Word file, one keyword to a line. > 2. Save as .txt file. > 3. Open .txt in Frame. > 4. Select all keyword lines. > 5. Table > Convert para to table.... > 6. Select one column > 7. Convert. Clean up if necessary (remove tabs, extra characters, etc.) > 8. Select the column. Copy. > 9. In the IXGen table, add enough rows to hold the new keywords. > 10. Click in the first empty row. Paste. If paste options are > available, select Replace existing cells. > > That's it. > > > > On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 6:14 PM, Harold Winberg > wrote: > > Hello Art > > > > I tried the method and there is a catch, you can paste the text into one > > cell but can't convert to table-no option. If I convert the table in FM > > to text and then paste the Word text and try to convert all back to > > table, it is weird. > > > > If I paste into a new FM doc and convert to table and try to paste the > > cells into the Key word doc, it won't give me the paste option. > > > > What am I missing? > > > > Les > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Art Campbell [mailto:art.campbell at gmail.com] > > Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 5:02 PM > > To: Harold Winberg; Frame Users > > Subject: Re: IXgen Key Word > > > > Sure, > > Open the Word (even better, a text) file in Frame. If you do open Word > > directly, be sure to clean it of hidden characters by saving it as MIF > > and reopening. > > You should end up with a FM file with the keywords, one to a line. > > Select them and convert to a table. You should end up with a single > > column, one keyword to a cell. > > Open the IXGen keyword table and follow the directions to add X number > > of rows. > > Copy the column of new words. Paste into the IXGen table, replacing > > the empty cells in the keyword column > > > > *** > > You may want to review the IXGen doc, too. > > > > Art > > > > On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 4:53 PM, Harold Winberg > > wrote: > > > Hello Framers > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a question about the key word list. > > a> > > > My boss gave me a Word doc with some key words and told me there was > > a > > > way to put them into the frame template all at once. I can re-type or > > > cut & paste one by one but is there really a way to insert these > > words > > > all at once into individual cells of the table in the FM Key Word > > > template? > > > > > > > -- > > Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com > > "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent > > and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson > > No disclaimers apply. > > DoD 358 > > > > > > -- > Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com > "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent > and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson > No disclaimers apply. > DoD 358 > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 07:58:40 -0500 > From: "Mike Wickham" > Subject: Re: FM abruptly closes with no save > To: "Diane Gaskill" , > > Message-ID: <019b01c885d3$2058bfe0$0b00a8c0 at plecopress> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > > I know that Adobe people do monitor this list (and have for many years) so > > I > > need to ask - what is the best way to report this? I have a couple of > > dumps > > I can send. > > Adobe has a bug report form at this address: > http://www.adobe.com/misc/bugreport.html > > I've had them ask for sample files after I've reported a bug. > > Mike Wickham > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 09:29:27 -0400 > From: > Subject: RE: FM abruptly closes with no save > To: , > Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Same here > Frame 8 with latest patch, 2 gig RAM, Dell Latitude laptop. These symptoms > are > the exact same as I have experienced. Frame 7.2 ran just fine. > Rick > > > -----Original Message----- > From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com > [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Yves Barbion > Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 5:21 AM > To: Diane Gaskill > Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com > Subject: Re: FM abruptly closes with no save > > Indeed Diane, > > I have also experienced some crashes with Frame 8 (and I'm also running > XPSP2 with 2 GB of RAM). When I did the same actions in Frame 7.2, everything > was fine. > > I do hope the Adobe people are monitoring this list and that we get a patch > soon > which makes Frame 8.0 crash-proof. > > Stability has always been one of the key features of FrameMaker. I hope I can > keep emphasizing this in my future Frame sales pitches. > > > > Kind regards > > Yves Barbion > Adobe-Certified FrameMaker Instructor > Scripto > Belgium > > > > Diane Gaskill wrote: > > Hi Framers, > > > > I run FM8.02 on a laptop running XPSP2 with 2GB of RAM. I have recently > > experienced several crashes in situations that I never had crashes with > > when > > using FM7.0. Sometimes it saves and I get a recovery file, but most of the > > time it does not save, it just halts and the FM window closes. When it > > comes back up, it acts like nothing happened. No error messages, no > > nothing. Business as usual. Wot, who me? > > > > I know that Adobe people do monitor this list (and have for many years) so > > I > > need to ask - what is the best way to report this? I have a couple of dumps > > I can send. > > > > I'd also suggest to the other FM users on the list who have posted about > > their crashes, that they report their crashes too. Posting them on the list > > is good and maybe someone knows a workaround for some situations, but the > > more Adobe has to work with, the better chance they have of finding the bug > > and fixing it. It sounds like a bug to me. > > > > Diane Gaskill > > (former tech support engineer) > > ================================= > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com > > [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com]On Behalf Of Brewster, > > Christopher C > > Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 8:08 AM > > To: framers at lists.frameusers.com > > Subject: RE: FM abruptly closes with no save > > > > > > I think the memory issue is indeed the cause for this. I did my process > > again and saved after each insertion. No problems occurred. But I think > > software should handle a memory issue much more gracefully than simply > > closing without saving-such as warning me, or refusing to execute the > > step that would make it close. (Do Adobe people monitor this list?) > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > From: Dennis Brunnenmeyer [mailto:dennisb at kvmr.org] > > Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 8:50 PM > > To: Shmuel Wolfson > > Cc: Brewster, Christopher C; framers at lists.frameusers.com > > Subject: Re: FM abruptly closes with no save > > > > > > > > Hi... > > > > No one in this thread has mentioned that, when working with graphics, > > FrameMaker likes to have plenty of RAM available to it, especially if > > other applications are open and also have images loaded. There's no > > "rule of thumb" that I know of, but I wouldn't attempt to do much with > > multiple graphic files unless I had at least 1GB or preferably 2GB or > > more of RAM on my system. 512MB or less is an invitation to a crash. > > > > Dennis Brunnenmeyer > > eMail: dennisb /at/ chronometrics /dot/ com > > > > ********************************************** > > > > At 09:14 AM 2/13/2008, Shmuel Wolfson wrote: > > > > > > > > I've had it close when scrolling a document that has embedded Corel > > graphics, when I scrolled too fast and did not wait for the embedded > > graphics to appear. > > > > > > Regards, > > Shmuel Wolfson > > 052-763-7133 > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as dgcaller at earthlink.net. > > > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > > or visit > > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/dgcaller%40earthlink.net > > > > > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. 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Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 07:45:13 -0700 > From: "Owen, Clint" > Subject: FM*.TMP files cause Instability > To: > Message-ID: > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > This might not be relevant to FM8 or to the current discussion, but it > does cause similar instability problems on FM7, running under XP. > > We found that FrameMaker creates temporary files in C:\documents and > settings\username\local settings\temp\. These files (fm*.tmp) seem to > accumulate and never get deleted automatically. Eventually some magic > number is reached and FM becomes unstable. My co-worker had over 50,000 > of these on her machine! You can use a batch file to clean them out, or > you can run Disk Cleanup from the Windows control panel, which will also > fix it. > > HTH, > > Clint > > > Clint Owen > Technical Publications > Crane Aerospace & Electronics > 425-743-8674 > > > We value your opinion! How may we serve you better? > Please click the below survey link to tell us how we are doing. > > http://www.craneae.com/surveys/satisfaction.htm > > Your feedback is of the utmost importance to us! Thank you for your time! > > > ###################################################################### > Attention: > The information contained in this email message may be privileged and is > confidential information intended only for the use of the recipient, or any > employee or agent responsible to deliver it to the intended recipient. Any > unauthorized use, distribution or copying of this information is strictly > prohibited and may be unlawful. > > If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender > immediately and destroy the original message and all attachments from your > electronic files. > > > This email was scanned and cleared by MailMarshal. > ###################################################################### > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 15:58:50 -0400 > From: "Harold Winberg" > Subject: Recovery > To: > Message-ID: > <77BF78E99B4C684FBF230054D53AC9320F442F at LADW2K3EX03.forceprotection.net> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hello Framers > > > > I am building a Book and got the Book Error Report saying Couldn't open > file because a more recent autosaved or recovered version exists. > > > > There is a recovered version in the folder. > > > > What is the safe thing to do?? > > > > Les Winberg > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 15:12:06 -0500 > From: "Michael O'Neill" > Subject: RE: Recovery > To: "Harold Winberg" , > > Message-ID: > <47B56143498B834AB2595C90E235053001CCA251 at mailserver.office.meta> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Here's what I would do: > > 1) Back up a copy of both the original and the recovered versions to > someplace safe. > 2) Open the recovered version in FrameMaker. > 3) Open the original version in FrameMaker (might have to force it). > 4) Compare the differences between the two versions using FrameMaker's > compare feature. (File-> Utilities-> Compare Documents) Select the > "Summary and Composite Documents" option when doing so. > 5) See which version has the most up-to-date information. Save that > version over the original version. > > Note: I just sort of developed this method by intuition. I'd be glad to > hear if anyone does something different/there are problems with my > method/easier ways to determine whether or not to go with a recovery > version of a .fm file. > > -----Original Message----- > From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com > [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Harold > Winberg > Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 2:59 PM > To: framers at lists.frameusers.com > Subject: Recovery > > Hello Framers > > > > I am building a Book and got the Book Error Report saying Couldn't open > file because a more recent autosaved or recovered version exists. > > > > There is a recovered version in the folder. > > > > What is the safe thing to do?? > > > > Les Winberg > > _______________________________________________ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as moneill at meta-comm.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/moneill%40meta-comm. > com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 16:33:17 -0400 > From: "Art Campbell" > Subject: Re: Recovery > To: "Harold Winberg" > Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > I'd check the file modification times and file sizes for large > differences, but in general, open the recovered version. > > If there's missing info, open the original's backup copy, assuming you > have auto backups turned on. And then open the original. (The opening > order is important, so you don't overwrite the backup.) > > If necessary, use the compare utility, but in most cases you'll either > remember what you were working on or notice chunks of missing info. > > Art > > On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 3:58 PM, Harold Winberg > wrote: > > Hello Framers > > > > I am building a Book and got the Book Error Report saying Couldn't open > > file because a more recent autosaved or recovered version exists. > > > > There is a recovered version in the folder. > > What is the safe thing to do?? > > > Les Winberg > > > -- > Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com > "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent > and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson > No disclaimers apply. > DoD 358 > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 16:59:47 -0400 > From: "Gagne, Bernard (Bolton)" > Subject: RE: Recovery > To: > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I usually do the same thing, except I change the "recover" in the > filename to something like a date. That way Frame doesn't complain that > it sees a recovery file and opens the two files without any hassle. > > Berny Gagne > Lead Writer > Husky Injection Molding Systems Ltd. > Bolton, Ontario, Canada > > -----Original Message----- > From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com > [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Michael > O'Neill > Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 4:12 PM > To: Harold Winberg; framers at lists.frameusers.com > Subject: RE: Recovery > > Here's what I would do: > > 1) Back up a copy of both the original and the recovered versions to > someplace safe. > 2) Open the recovered version in FrameMaker. > 3) Open the original version in FrameMaker (might have to force it). > 4) Compare the differences between the two versions using FrameMaker's > compare feature. (File-> Utilities-> Compare Documents) Select the > "Summary and Composite Documents" option when doing so. > 5) See which version has the most up-to-date information. Save that > version over the original version. > > Note: I just sort of developed this method by intuition. I'd be glad to > hear if anyone does something different/there are problems with my > method/easier ways to determine whether or not to go with a recovery > version of a .fm file. > > -----Original Message----- > From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com > [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Harold > Winberg > Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 2:59 PM > To: framers at lists.frameusers.com > Subject: Recovery > > Hello Framers > > > > I am building a Book and got the Book Error Report saying Couldn't open > file because a more recent autosaved or recovered version exists. > > > > There is a recovered version in the folder. > > > > What is the safe thing to do?? > > > > Les Winberg > > _______________________________________________ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as moneill at meta-comm.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/moneill%40meta-comm. > com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > _______________________________________________ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as bgagne at husky.ca. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/bgagne%40husky.ca > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 17:01:15 -0400 > From: Fred Ridder > Subject: RE: Recovery > To: Art Campbell , Harold Winberg > > Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > Responding to Les Winberg, Art Campbell wrote: > > I'd check the file modification times and file sizes for large > > differences, but in general, open the recovered version. > > > > If there's missing info, open the original's backup copy, assuming you > > have auto backups turned on. And then open the original. (The opening > > order is important, so you don't overwrite the backup.) > > > > If necessary, use the compare utility, but in most cases you'll either > > remember what you were working on or notice chunks of missing info. > > I feel compelled to once again point out that the .backup files produced > by FrameMaker are not real backups. A file with the .backup secondary > extension is nothing more nor less than the last-saved version of the > document with a secondary filename extension. If you only go 10 minutes > between saves (and who of us ever saves *that* frequently), the > "backup" might be quite fresh. But the reality is that it is always one save > (i.e., one set of edits) behind the primary file. > > A recover file, on the other hand, generally represents fresher content > than the primary file, but might be corrupted in some way because > it represents the state of the file close to the time that FrameMaker > "unexpectedly exited" (i.e., crashed). > > _________________________________________________________________ > Shed those extra pounds with MSN and The Biggest Loser! > http://biggestloser.msn.com/ > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 12 > Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 17:11:48 -0400 > From: Stuart Rogers > Subject: Re: Recovery > To: Fred Ridder > Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com > Message-ID: <47DAEA14.50806 at phoenix-geophysics.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Fred Ridder wrote: > > If you only go 10 minutes > > between saves (and who of us ever saves *that* frequently), > > > Well, those of us who are also forced (kicking & screaming) to work in > MS Word from time to time all probably have the Alt-S-every-two-minutes > obsessive-compulsive habit... > > Come to think of it, I guess I have to thank Word's behaviour for > causing me to almost never lose more than a couple of minutes of work in > any program I use... > > Have a good weekend, all :-) > > -- > Stuart Rogers > Technical Communicator > Phoenix Geophysics Limited > Toronto, ON, Canada > +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 > > srogers phoenix-geophysics com > > I'll stop saying Microsoft is arrogant when > Windows stops saying "Welcome" and instead asks "May I?" > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > You are currently subscribed to > Framers. > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/listinfo/framers > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. 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