Hi Gary
When I tried to open your TempNext file I got a message that it needed as 
"converter". Did you get a new version of Word that is not compatible with 
earlier versions or is it a corrupt file? I am opening other Word inputs 
without issue.
Sometimes e-mail will mess up an attachment.
Please re-send.
If a new Word version, please downsave to an earlier version.
Thanks
Oran

PS: you are the April cover car. Nice write-up.
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> 3. Re: IXgen Key Word (Art Campbell) 
> 4. Re: FM abruptly closes with no save (Mike Wickham) 
> 5. RE: FM abruptly closes with no save (richard.melanson at us.tel.com) 
> 6. FM*.TMP files cause Instability (Owen, Clint) 
> 7. Recovery (Harold Winberg) 
> 8. RE: Recovery (Michael O'Neill) 
> 9. Re: Recovery (Art Campbell) 
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> Message: 1 
> Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 02:02:59 -0800 
> From: "Diane Gaskill" 
> Subject: RE: FM abruptly closes with no save 
> To: 
> Message-ID: 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" 
> 
> Hi Framers, 
> 
> I run FM8.02 on a laptop running XPSP2 with 2GB of RAM. I have recently 
> experienced several crashes in situations that I never had crashes with when 
> using FM7.0. Sometimes it saves and I get a recovery file, but most of the 
> time it does not save, it just halts and the FM window closes. When it 
> comes back up, it acts like nothing happened. No error messages, no 
> nothing. Business as usual. Wot, who me? 
> 
> I know that Adobe people do monitor this list (and have for many years) so I 
> need to ask - what is the best way to report this? I have a couple of dumps 
> I can send. 
> 
> I'd also suggest to the other FM users on the list who have posted about 
> their crashes, that they report their crashes too. Posting them on the list 
> is good and maybe someone knows a workaround for some situations, but the 
> more Adobe has to work with, the better chance they have of finding the bug 
> and fixing it. It sounds like a bug to me. 
> 
> Diane Gaskill 
> (former tech support engineer) 
> ================================= 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
> [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com]On Behalf Of Brewster, 
> Christopher C 
> Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 8:08 AM 
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com 
> Subject: RE: FM abruptly closes with no save 
> 
> 
> I think the memory issue is indeed the cause for this. I did my process 
> again and saved after each insertion. No problems occurred. But I think 
> software should handle a memory issue much more gracefully than simply 
> closing without saving-such as warning me, or refusing to execute the 
> step that would make it close. (Do Adobe people monitor this list?) 
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________ 
> 
> From: Dennis Brunnenmeyer [mailto:dennisb at kvmr.org] 
> Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 8:50 PM 
> To: Shmuel Wolfson 
> Cc: Brewster, Christopher C; framers at lists.frameusers.com 
> Subject: Re: FM abruptly closes with no save 
> 
> 
> 
> Hi... 
> 
> No one in this thread has mentioned that, when working with graphics, 
> FrameMaker likes to have plenty of RAM available to it, especially if 
> other applications are open and also have images loaded. There's no 
> "rule of thumb" that I know of, but I wouldn't attempt to do much with 
> multiple graphic files unless I had at least 1GB or preferably 2GB or 
> more of RAM on my system. 512MB or less is an invitation to a crash. 
> 
> Dennis Brunnenmeyer 
> eMail: dennisb /at/ chronometrics /dot/ com 
> 
> ********************************************** 
> 
> At 09:14 AM 2/13/2008, Shmuel Wolfson wrote: 
> 
> 
> 
> I've had it close when scrolling a document that has embedded Corel 
> graphics, when I scrolled too fast and did not wait for the embedded 
> graphics to appear. 
> 
> 
> Regards, 
> Shmuel Wolfson 
> 052-763-7133 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> Message: 2 
> Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 10:20:56 +0100 
> From: Yves Barbion 
> Subject: Re: FM abruptly closes with no save 
> To: Diane Gaskill 
> Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com 
> Message-ID: <47DA4378.8000008 at gmail.com> 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed 
> 
> Indeed Diane, 
> 
> I have also experienced some crashes with Frame 8 (and I'm also running 
> XPSP2 with 2 GB of RAM). When I did the same actions in Frame 7.2, 
> everything was fine. 
> 
> I do hope the Adobe people are monitoring this list and that we get a 
> patch soon which makes Frame 8.0 crash-proof. 
> 
> Stability has always been one of the key features of FrameMaker. I hope 
> I can keep emphasizing this in my future Frame sales pitches. 
> 
> 
> 
> Kind regards 
> 
> Yves Barbion 
> Adobe-Certified FrameMaker Instructor 
> Scripto 
> Belgium 
> 
> 
> 
> Diane Gaskill wrote: 
> > Hi Framers, 
> > 
> > I run FM8.02 on a laptop running XPSP2 with 2GB of RAM. I have recently 
> > experienced several crashes in situations that I never had crashes with 
> > when 
> > using FM7.0. Sometimes it saves and I get a recovery file, but most of the 
> > time it does not save, it just halts and the FM window closes. When it 
> > comes back up, it acts like nothing happened. No error messages, no 
> > nothing. Business as usual. Wot, who me? 
> > 
> > I know that Adobe people do monitor this list (and have for many years) so 
> > I 
> > need to ask - what is the best way to report this? I have a couple of dumps 
> > I can send. 
> > 
> > I'd also suggest to the other FM users on the list who have posted about 
> > their crashes, that they report their crashes too. Posting them on the list 
> > is good and maybe someone knows a workaround for some situations, but the 
> > more Adobe has to work with, the better chance they have of finding the bug 
> > and fixing it. It sounds like a bug to me. 
> > 
> > Diane Gaskill 
> > (former tech support engineer) 
> > ================================= 
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message----- 
> > From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
> > [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com]On Behalf Of Brewster, 
> > Christopher C 
> > Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 8:08 AM 
> > To: framers at lists.frameusers.com 
> > Subject: RE: FM abruptly closes with no save 
> > 
> > 
> > I think the memory issue is indeed the cause for this. I did my process 
> > again and saved after each insertion. No problems occurred. But I think 
> > software should handle a memory issue much more gracefully than simply 
> > closing without saving-such as warning me, or refusing to execute the 
> > step that would make it close. (Do Adobe people monitor this list?) 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ________________________________ 
> > 
> > From: Dennis Brunnenmeyer [mailto:dennisb at kvmr.org] 
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 8:50 PM 
> > To: Shmuel Wolfson 
> > Cc: Brewster, Christopher C; framers at lists.frameusers.com 
> > Subject: Re: FM abruptly closes with no save 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Hi... 
> > 
> > No one in this thread has mentioned that, when working with graphics, 
> > FrameMaker likes to have plenty of RAM available to it, especially if 
> > other applications are open and also have images loaded. There's no 
> > "rule of thumb" that I know of, but I wouldn't attempt to do much with 
> > multiple graphic files unless I had at least 1GB or preferably 2GB or 
> > more of RAM on my system. 512MB or less is an invitation to a crash. 
> > 
> > Dennis Brunnenmeyer 
> > eMail: dennisb /at/ chronometrics /dot/ com 
> > 
> > ********************************************** 
> > 
> > At 09:14 AM 2/13/2008, Shmuel Wolfson wrote: 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I've had it close when scrolling a document that has embedded Corel 
> > graphics, when I scrolled too fast and did not wait for the embedded 
> > graphics to appear. 
> > 
> > 
> > Regards, 
> > Shmuel Wolfson 
> > 052-763-7133 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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> > 
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> ------------------------------ 
> 
> Message: 3 
> Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 07:52:25 -0400 
> From: "Art Campbell" 
> Subject: Re: IXgen Key Word 
> To: "Harold Winberg" , "Frame 
> Users" 
> Message-ID: 
> 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 
> 
> Harold/Les, 
> You're missing a step somewhere. 
> 1. Word file, one keyword to a line. 
> 2. Save as .txt file. 
> 3. Open .txt in Frame. 
> 4. Select all keyword lines. 
> 5. Table > Convert para to table.... 
> 6. Select one column 
> 7. Convert. Clean up if necessary (remove tabs, extra characters, etc.) 
> 8. Select the column. Copy. 
> 9. In the IXGen table, add enough rows to hold the new keywords. 
> 10. Click in the first empty row. Paste. If paste options are 
> available, select Replace existing cells. 
> 
> That's it. 
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 6:14 PM, Harold Winberg 
> wrote: 
> > Hello Art 
> > 
> > I tried the method and there is a catch, you can paste the text into one 
> > cell but can't convert to table-no option. If I convert the table in FM 
> > to text and then paste the Word text and try to convert all back to 
> > table, it is weird. 
> > 
> > If I paste into a new FM doc and convert to table and try to paste the 
> > cells into the Key word doc, it won't give me the paste option. 
> > 
> > What am I missing? 
> > 
> > Les 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message----- 
> > From: Art Campbell [mailto:art.campbell at gmail.com] 
> > Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 5:02 PM 
> > To: Harold Winberg; Frame Users 
> > Subject: Re: IXgen Key Word 
> > 
> > Sure, 
> > Open the Word (even better, a text) file in Frame. If you do open Word 
> > directly, be sure to clean it of hidden characters by saving it as MIF 
> > and reopening. 
> > You should end up with a FM file with the keywords, one to a line. 
> > Select them and convert to a table. You should end up with a single 
> > column, one keyword to a cell. 
> > Open the IXGen keyword table and follow the directions to add X number 
> > of rows. 
> > Copy the column of new words. Paste into the IXGen table, replacing 
> > the empty cells in the keyword column 
> > 
> > *** 
> > You may want to review the IXGen doc, too. 
> > 
> > Art 
> > 
> > On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 4:53 PM, Harold Winberg 
> > wrote: 
> > > Hello Framers 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > I have a question about the key word list. 
> > a> 
> > > My boss gave me a Word doc with some key words and told me there was 
> > a 
> > > way to put them into the frame template all at once. I can re-type or 
> > > cut & paste one by one but is there really a way to insert these 
> > words 
> > > all at once into individual cells of the table in the FM Key Word 
> > > template? 
> > > 
> > 
> > -- 
> > Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com 
> > "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent 
> > and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson 
> > No disclaimers apply. 
> > DoD 358 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com 
> "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent 
> and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson 
> No disclaimers apply. 
> DoD 358 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------ 
> 
> Message: 4 
> Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 07:58:40 -0500 
> From: "Mike Wickham" 
> Subject: Re: FM abruptly closes with no save 
> To: "Diane Gaskill" , 
> 
> Message-ID: <019b01c885d3$2058bfe0$0b00a8c0 at plecopress> 
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; 
> reply-type=original 
> 
> > I know that Adobe people do monitor this list (and have for many years) so 
> > I 
> > need to ask - what is the best way to report this? I have a couple of 
> > dumps 
> > I can send. 
> 
> Adobe has a bug report form at this address: 
> http://www.adobe.com/misc/bugreport.html 
> 
> I've had them ask for sample files after I've reported a bug. 
> 
> Mike Wickham 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------ 
> 
> Message: 5 
> Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 09:29:27 -0400 
> From: 
> Subject: RE: FM abruptly closes with no save 
> To: , 
> Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com 
> Message-ID: 
> 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" 
> 
> Same here 
> Frame 8 with latest patch, 2 gig RAM, Dell Latitude laptop. These symptoms 
> are 
> the exact same as I have experienced. Frame 7.2 ran just fine. 
> Rick 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
> [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Yves Barbion 
> Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 5:21 AM 
> To: Diane Gaskill 
> Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com 
> Subject: Re: FM abruptly closes with no save 
> 
> Indeed Diane, 
> 
> I have also experienced some crashes with Frame 8 (and I'm also running 
> XPSP2 with 2 GB of RAM). When I did the same actions in Frame 7.2, everything 
> was fine. 
> 
> I do hope the Adobe people are monitoring this list and that we get a patch 
> soon 
> which makes Frame 8.0 crash-proof. 
> 
> Stability has always been one of the key features of FrameMaker. I hope I can 
> keep emphasizing this in my future Frame sales pitches. 
> 
> 
> 
> Kind regards 
> 
> Yves Barbion 
> Adobe-Certified FrameMaker Instructor 
> Scripto 
> Belgium 
> 
> 
> 
> Diane Gaskill wrote: 
> > Hi Framers, 
> > 
> > I run FM8.02 on a laptop running XPSP2 with 2GB of RAM. I have recently 
> > experienced several crashes in situations that I never had crashes with 
> > when 
> > using FM7.0. Sometimes it saves and I get a recovery file, but most of the 
> > time it does not save, it just halts and the FM window closes. When it 
> > comes back up, it acts like nothing happened. No error messages, no 
> > nothing. Business as usual. Wot, who me? 
> > 
> > I know that Adobe people do monitor this list (and have for many years) so 
> > I 
> > need to ask - what is the best way to report this? I have a couple of dumps 
> > I can send. 
> > 
> > I'd also suggest to the other FM users on the list who have posted about 
> > their crashes, that they report their crashes too. Posting them on the list 
> > is good and maybe someone knows a workaround for some situations, but the 
> > more Adobe has to work with, the better chance they have of finding the bug 
> > and fixing it. It sounds like a bug to me. 
> > 
> > Diane Gaskill 
> > (former tech support engineer) 
> > ================================= 
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message----- 
> > From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
> > [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com]On Behalf Of Brewster, 
> > Christopher C 
> > Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 8:08 AM 
> > To: framers at lists.frameusers.com 
> > Subject: RE: FM abruptly closes with no save 
> > 
> > 
> > I think the memory issue is indeed the cause for this. I did my process 
> > again and saved after each insertion. No problems occurred. But I think 
> > software should handle a memory issue much more gracefully than simply 
> > closing without saving-such as warning me, or refusing to execute the 
> > step that would make it close. (Do Adobe people monitor this list?) 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ________________________________ 
> > 
> > From: Dennis Brunnenmeyer [mailto:dennisb at kvmr.org] 
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 8:50 PM 
> > To: Shmuel Wolfson 
> > Cc: Brewster, Christopher C; framers at lists.frameusers.com 
> > Subject: Re: FM abruptly closes with no save 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Hi... 
> > 
> > No one in this thread has mentioned that, when working with graphics, 
> > FrameMaker likes to have plenty of RAM available to it, especially if 
> > other applications are open and also have images loaded. There's no 
> > "rule of thumb" that I know of, but I wouldn't attempt to do much with 
> > multiple graphic files unless I had at least 1GB or preferably 2GB or 
> > more of RAM on my system. 512MB or less is an invitation to a crash. 
> > 
> > Dennis Brunnenmeyer 
> > eMail: dennisb /at/ chronometrics /dot/ com 
> > 
> > ********************************************** 
> > 
> > At 09:14 AM 2/13/2008, Shmuel Wolfson wrote: 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I've had it close when scrolling a document that has embedded Corel 
> > graphics, when I scrolled too fast and did not wait for the embedded 
> > graphics to appear. 
> > 
> > 
> > Regards, 
> > Shmuel Wolfson 
> > 052-763-7133 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________ 
> > 
> > 
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> 
> Message: 6 
> Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 07:45:13 -0700 
> From: "Owen, Clint" 
> Subject: FM*.TMP files cause Instability 
> To: 
> Message-ID: 
> 
> 
> 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" 
> 
> This might not be relevant to FM8 or to the current discussion, but it 
> does cause similar instability problems on FM7, running under XP. 
> 
> We found that FrameMaker creates temporary files in C:\documents and 
> settings\username\local settings\temp\. These files (fm*.tmp) seem to 
> accumulate and never get deleted automatically. Eventually some magic 
> number is reached and FM becomes unstable. My co-worker had over 50,000 
> of these on her machine! You can use a batch file to clean them out, or 
> you can run Disk Cleanup from the Windows control panel, which will also 
> fix it. 
> 
> HTH, 
> 
> Clint 
> 
> 
> Clint Owen 
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> 
> Message: 7 
> Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 15:58:50 -0400 
> From: "Harold Winberg" 
> Subject: Recovery 
> To: 
> Message-ID: 
> <77BF78E99B4C684FBF230054D53AC9320F442F at LADW2K3EX03.forceprotection.net> 
> 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" 
> 
> Hello Framers 
> 
> 
> 
> I am building a Book and got the Book Error Report saying Couldn't open 
> file because a more recent autosaved or recovered version exists. 
> 
> 
> 
> There is a recovered version in the folder. 
> 
> 
> 
> What is the safe thing to do?? 
> 
> 
> 
> Les Winberg 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------ 
> 
> Message: 8 
> Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 15:12:06 -0500 
> From: "Michael O'Neill" 
> Subject: RE: Recovery 
> To: "Harold Winberg" , 
> 
> Message-ID: 
> <47B56143498B834AB2595C90E235053001CCA251 at mailserver.office.meta> 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" 
> 
> Here's what I would do: 
> 
> 1) Back up a copy of both the original and the recovered versions to 
> someplace safe. 
> 2) Open the recovered version in FrameMaker. 
> 3) Open the original version in FrameMaker (might have to force it). 
> 4) Compare the differences between the two versions using FrameMaker's 
> compare feature. (File-> Utilities-> Compare Documents) Select the 
> "Summary and Composite Documents" option when doing so. 
> 5) See which version has the most up-to-date information. Save that 
> version over the original version. 
> 
> Note: I just sort of developed this method by intuition. I'd be glad to 
> hear if anyone does something different/there are problems with my 
> method/easier ways to determine whether or not to go with a recovery 
> version of a .fm file. 
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
> [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Harold 
> Winberg 
> Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 2:59 PM 
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com 
> Subject: Recovery 
> 
> Hello Framers 
> 
> 
> 
> I am building a Book and got the Book Error Report saying Couldn't open 
> file because a more recent autosaved or recovered version exists. 
> 
> 
> 
> There is a recovered version in the folder. 
> 
> 
> 
> What is the safe thing to do?? 
> 
> 
> 
> Les Winberg 
> 
> _______________________________________________ 
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> 
> Message: 9 
> Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 16:33:17 -0400 
> From: "Art Campbell" 
> Subject: Re: Recovery 
> To: "Harold Winberg" 
> Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com 
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> I'd check the file modification times and file sizes for large 
> differences, but in general, open the recovered version. 
> 
> If there's missing info, open the original's backup copy, assuming you 
> have auto backups turned on. And then open the original. (The opening 
> order is important, so you don't overwrite the backup.) 
> 
> If necessary, use the compare utility, but in most cases you'll either 
> remember what you were working on or notice chunks of missing info. 
> 
> Art 
> 
> On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 3:58 PM, Harold Winberg 
> wrote: 
> > Hello Framers 
> > 
> > I am building a Book and got the Book Error Report saying Couldn't open 
> > file because a more recent autosaved or recovered version exists. 
> > 
> > There is a recovered version in the folder. 
> > What is the safe thing to do?? 
> 
> > Les Winberg 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com 
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> and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson 
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> 
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> Message: 10 
> Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 16:59:47 -0400 
> From: "Gagne, Bernard (Bolton)" 
> Subject: RE: Recovery 
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> I usually do the same thing, except I change the "recover" in the 
> filename to something like a date. That way Frame doesn't complain that 
> it sees a recovery file and opens the two files without any hassle. 
> 
> Berny Gagne 
> Lead Writer 
> Husky Injection Molding Systems Ltd. 
> Bolton, Ontario, Canada 
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
> [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Michael 
> O'Neill 
> Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 4:12 PM 
> To: Harold Winberg; framers at lists.frameusers.com 
> Subject: RE: Recovery 
> 
> Here's what I would do: 
> 
> 1) Back up a copy of both the original and the recovered versions to 
> someplace safe. 
> 2) Open the recovered version in FrameMaker. 
> 3) Open the original version in FrameMaker (might have to force it). 
> 4) Compare the differences between the two versions using FrameMaker's 
> compare feature. (File-> Utilities-> Compare Documents) Select the 
> "Summary and Composite Documents" option when doing so. 
> 5) See which version has the most up-to-date information. Save that 
> version over the original version. 
> 
> Note: I just sort of developed this method by intuition. I'd be glad to 
> hear if anyone does something different/there are problems with my 
> method/easier ways to determine whether or not to go with a recovery 
> version of a .fm file. 
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
> [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Harold 
> Winberg 
> Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 2:59 PM 
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com 
> Subject: Recovery 
> 
> Hello Framers 
> 
> 
> 
> I am building a Book and got the Book Error Report saying Couldn't open 
> file because a more recent autosaved or recovered version exists. 
> 
> 
> 
> There is a recovered version in the folder. 
> 
> 
> 
> What is the safe thing to do?? 
> 
> 
> 
> Les Winberg 
> 
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> Message: 11 
> Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 17:01:15 -0400 
> From: Fred Ridder 
> Subject: RE: Recovery 
> To: Art Campbell , Harold Winberg 
> 
> Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com 
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> 
> Responding to Les Winberg, Art Campbell wrote: 
> > I'd check the file modification times and file sizes for large 
> > differences, but in general, open the recovered version. 
> > 
> > If there's missing info, open the original's backup copy, assuming you 
> > have auto backups turned on. And then open the original. (The opening 
> > order is important, so you don't overwrite the backup.) 
> > 
> > If necessary, use the compare utility, but in most cases you'll either 
> > remember what you were working on or notice chunks of missing info. 
> 
> I feel compelled to once again point out that the .backup files produced 
> by FrameMaker are not real backups. A file with the .backup secondary 
> extension is nothing more nor less than the last-saved version of the 
> document with a secondary filename extension. If you only go 10 minutes 
> between saves (and who of us ever saves *that* frequently), the 
> "backup" might be quite fresh. But the reality is that it is always one save 
> (i.e., one set of edits) behind the primary file. 
> 
> A recover file, on the other hand, generally represents fresher content 
> than the primary file, but might be corrupted in some way because 
> it represents the state of the file close to the time that FrameMaker 
> "unexpectedly exited" (i.e., crashed). 
> 
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> Message: 12 
> Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 17:11:48 -0400 
> From: Stuart Rogers 
> Subject: Re: Recovery 
> To: Fred Ridder 
> Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com 
> Message-ID: <47DAEA14.50806 at phoenix-geophysics.com> 
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> 
> Fred Ridder wrote: 
> > If you only go 10 minutes 
> > between saves (and who of us ever saves *that* frequently), 
> 
> 
> Well, those of us who are also forced (kicking & screaming) to work in 
> MS Word from time to time all probably have the Alt-S-every-two-minutes 
> obsessive-compulsive habit... 
> 
> Come to think of it, I guess I have to thank Word's behaviour for 
> causing me to almost never lose more than a couple of minutes of work in 
> any program I use... 
> 
> Have a good weekend, all :-) 
> 
> -- 
> Stuart Rogers 
> Technical Communicator 
> Phoenix Geophysics Limited 
> Toronto, ON, Canada 
> +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 
> 
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> I'll stop saying Microsoft is arrogant when 
> Windows stops saying "Welcome" and instead asks "May I?" 
> 
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