Well sorta, I renamed one of the temp FM files with the random hex number and it works fine. I'll need to fiddle with the graphics some, but for a redline, it does the trick.
Then I deleted the file from both the old and the new books and re-ran the compare. All of the chapters and appendices now produce CMP files. I'm not sure just what the problem source was, but it probably is related to the issue with saving the fm file that had OLE graphics. For now, I'm able to produce the redline my client wants, so we're both happy. Thanks to all for the advice! J. Paul Kent 206-383-0539 ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: "Art Campbell" <art.campb...@gmail.com> To: "Paul Kent" <jopakent at comcast.net> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 10:06:22 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: FM 7.2 File Compare Headaches One more thing you may want to play with, if you have time.... I'm remembering that FM 8 updated the compare routines in conjunction with the new change tracking software... there is a free eval version available. Art Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 12:50 PM, Paul Kent <jopakent at comcast.net> wrote: > Thanks Art, I can't do anything on it til tonight anyway; maybe something > will perk up before then; OTW I'll poke around a bit and see what I can > find. > > Regards, > > J. Paul Kent > 206-383-0539 > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Art Campbell" <art.campbell at gmail.com> > To: "Paul Kent" <jopakent at comcast.net> > Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 9:34:26 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific > Subject: Re: FM 7.2 File Compare Headaches > > Paul, > I kind of half-remember a posting or an Adobe employee blog, or maybe a > tech note about MS fixing this, or release a hotfix that fixes it. May want > to poke around the Microsoft Support site a little bit. > I'll see if I can find it, but don't hold your breathe waiting for me. ;- > ) > > Art > > Art Campbell > art.campbell at gmail.com > "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and > a > redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson > No disclaimers apply. > DoD 358 > > > On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 12:27 PM, Paul Kent <jopakent at comcast.net> wrote: > > > Thanks Art, I did open all the files in both books without errors. > > > > I bet it is the OLE issue. I don't want to try backing out SP3 as this is > > the first issue I've had with it. I think I'll try revising the graphics > to > > be resident and see it that works. > > > > I did notice the files with Hex suffixes that had been created. I'll try > > renaming these to see if I can get em to play nice in my book. Thanks for > > the ideas. I'll report results tomorrow. > > > > Regards, > > > > J. Paul Kent > > 206-383-0539 > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Art Campbell" <art.campbell at gmail.com> > > To: "Paul Kent" <jopakent at comcast.net> > > Cc: "Framers" <framers at lists.frameusers.com> > > Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 8:21:21 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific > > Subject: Re: FM 7.2 File Compare Headaches > > > > The most obvious reason your book level compare may be failing is > > because of problems opening (and maybe closing) some of the files, per > > your graphics error message. Can you open all the files in both books > > without any errors? And then run the compare? > > > > **** > > If you do a quick search of this site, or the Adobe FM user forum, > > you'll see a number of messages related to the "failed to..." problem, > > which surfaced when XP SP3 shipped. You're probably going to have to > > fix this before going much further... > > The problem is (probably) that you have OLE objects in your Frame > > document AND have installed XP SP3, which contains a Microsoft OLE > > security fix that seems to break things. > > > > * The work-arounds available seem to be: converting the OLE objects > > to referenced graphic files > > * Backing out of SP3 > > > > A couple people have reported that when the files crash, temporary > > Frame files, usually with random number extensions, are left behind. > > The report is that if you open one of these in Frame and SaveAs, that > > everything is either recovered or now works. I don't have any personal > > experience with that solution... > > > > Art > > > > Art Campbell > > art.campbell at gmail.com > > "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 > > Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson > > No disclaimers > apply. > > DoD 358 > > > > > > > > On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 11:11 AM, Paul Kent <jopakent at comcast.net> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > FM7.2, Win XP. Pleae respond directly, as I'm on digest. I'll post > > results with a |solved suffix . TIA for any insights! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Grrrrr, I failed trying to create a redline for a book I've been > > maintaining over the last several years. > > > > > > I did a File/Utilities/Compare on the old book versus the new book and > > all initially seemed well. However, I noticed that only 18 of the 39 > files > > created CMP files. My first interpretation was that perhaps there were no > > changes in the ones that didn't create a CMP file. That turned out to be > > true for some of them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For instance, I noticed that none of the appendices has created CMP > > files. I know that some of these had significant changes. I began doing > file > > by file compares to create the CMP files. This worked until I came to one > > particular file. The CMP for that file creates successfully, but when I > try > > to save it I get the following error message: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > An internal error occurred while writing imported graphics in this > > document. The file has been saved, but has lost some image data. Please > > report this error to Adobe Technical Support. > > > I tried a couple of ways to save the file, but nothing has worked yet. > I > > did not try washing via MIF yet, perhaps that's a good option. > > > I also did not try removing all of the graphics or (better) un-linking > > and importing all of the graphics. > > > > > > Also, I'm wondering if the error I encountered trying to save the CMP > > file is the reason that Frame did not create any CMP files that occur > after > > that file. I'm hoping that once I figure out how to get the problem file > > cleaned up so that the CMP saves, I can re-run the compare on the two > books > > again to get all of the files with changes to yield CMP files. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Another thing, can someone confirm that the compare utility does NOT > show > > changes made in tables? I see that these did not get noted in the CMP > file. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Finally, if anyone has any tips for creating and printing a redline I'd > > welcome a process change. My process in the past has been to: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Do the compare to create the CMP files > > > 2. Create a copy of the book and rename it. > > > 3. Either rename the files (for instance bob.fm becomes bobCMP.fm) > or > > delete the old ones import the CMP files. > > > 4. Walk through the new book cleaning up all of the phantom > > deletions/insertions (mostly updates to cross-references) > > > 5. Print the whole thing to a PDF. > > > > > > > > > I s this the best way to create a redline? Something very much like > this > > has worked for me inthe past, but it is pretty labor intensive (even more > so > > when FM internal errors gum up the works). > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks again, > > > > > > > > > > > > J. Paul Kent > > > 206-383-0539 > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as art.campbell at gmail.com. > > > > > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > > > > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > > > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > > > or visit > > > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail.com > > > > > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > > > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > > > > > >