Sandy,


You and your team might be interested in these free webinars (see
message 1).



John



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   2. Printing Structured View in Frame 8 (Tony Tasillo)

   3. RE: Frame 9 UI Scren Mode and Tab Icon Issues (Megha Chaitanya)

   4. Printing PDF book to separate files (kgrace4715 at aol.com)

   5. Re: Printing Structured View in Frame 8 (Yves Barbion)

   6. Re: Printing Structured View in Frame 8 (Peter Gold)

   7. hyperlinks to files, to directories (also,      reference work on

      hyperlinks in FM) (tom.kohn at kodak.com)

   8. Another free webinar hosted by MadCap Software (Sharon Burton)

   9. RE: Frame 9 UI Scren Mode and Tab Icon Issues (Pinkham, Jim)

  10. Structured docs or conditional text (Carl Yorke)

  11. RE: Structured docs or conditional text (David Spreadbury)

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Message: 1

Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 16:37:32 +0200

From: Shlomo Perets <shlo...@microtype.com>

Subject: Free webinars (April):  Ten FM Tips ? PDFs  with Form Fields

      ? ToolbarPlus Express

To: Framers at frameusers.com, framers at omsys.com, TCP at techcommpros.com,

      frame2acrobat at yahoogroups.com

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Message: 2

Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 09:49:20 -0500

From: "Tony Tasillo" <tony.tasi...@teexmail.tamu.edu>

Subject: Printing Structured View in Frame 8

To: <framers at lists.frameusers.com>

Message-ID: <49C8AC9A.55CB.00F5.0 at teexmail.tamu.edu>

Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII



Is there a way to print the structured view of a file in Frame 8? I
would like to print this particular view to use as a sample of the
structure for a meeting but want to be able print the entire document
not just a few screen captures.



Thank you,







Tony Tasillo

Project Specialist and

Customer Service Relations Representative



TEEX Operations

301 Tarrow Drive, Suite 268

College Station, TX 77840-7896



Phone: 979/458-6029

Fax:     979/458-6822

tony.tasillo at teexmail.tamu.edu





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Message: 3

Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 18:41:29 +0530

From: Megha Chaitanya <me...@adobe.com>

Subject: RE: Frame 9 UI Scren Mode and Tab Icon Issues

To: "framers at lists.frameusers.com" <framers at lists.frameusers.com>

Message-ID:


<211588A808EE03429EAD2863E8A4434DB76527A554 at INDIAMBX01.corp.adobe.com>

Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"





Hi Oran,



Regarding your points, 



1. I cannot get the Paragraph Formatting tool bar Tab icons to work. On
earlier versions I could drag them onto the ruler to add new tabs. While
I can move existing tabs on the ruler, I cannot seem to add new with the
icons. The tab icons seem inoperative, as I cannot make to do anything
through dragging, double-click, etc. I do see the "New Tab Stop" text in
the paragraph designer flicker when I click an icon, but nothing else
happens . 





<Megha> To add a tab stop, click a tab stop symbol from Paragraph Format
toolbar and click the desired position below the top ruler. Refer to
FrameMaker 9 user guide , page 43.





2. If I use the "Screen Mode" icon to select? "Full Screen Mode" the
menus correctly disappear. So far the only way I have found to get back
out of that mode is to close and reopen the file using keyboard
shortcuts. (Ctrl-W) I cannot find a keyboard shortcut or key to get back
out, and menu is gone of course. What is interesting is that re-opening
the file gives you the menus back, but "Screen Mode" remains in "Full
Screen Mode" (checkmark) even though it is not. 



<Megha> To change the screen mode :

-> Right click on the grey area outside document window, then choose
Toggle Screen Mode from the context menu.

->You can use the following keyboard shortcuts :

    Esc S M s for standard screen mode.  

    Esc S M u for full screen with user interface.

    Esc SM f for full screen.

    Esc SM t to toggle screen mode.





Regards,

Megha 



----------------------------------------------------------------------



Message: 1

Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 19:50:07 +0000 (UTC)

From: Oran Petersen <orand...@comcast.net>

Subject: Frame 9 UI Scren Mode and Tab Icon Issues

To: framers at lists.frameusers.com

Message-ID:


<1081429083.7173841237665007668.JavaMail.root at sz0127a.emeryville.ca.mail
.comcast.net>



Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8









I am using TCS2 with Frame 9 with the patch on XP SP3. 



For me the new user interface seems a little confusing and inconsistent
in how it works, but I am figuring out most of it by experimentation and
trial & error. The Help file is mostly worthless. Seems they forgot to
update it for the new interface and icons in many cases. 







Two UI items however, escape me. 







1. I cannot get the Paragraph Formatting tool bar Tab icons to work. On
earlier versions I could drag them onto the ruler to add new tabs. While
I can move existing tabs on the ruler, I cannot seem to add new with the
icons. The tab icons seem inoperative, as I cannot make to do anything
through dragging, double-click, etc. I do see the "New Tab Stop" text in
the paragraph designer flicker when I click an icon, but nothing else
happens . 







2. If I use the "Screen Mode" icon to select? "Full Screen Mode" the
menus correctly disappear. So far the only way I have found to get back
out of that mode is to close and reopen the file using keyboard
shortcuts. (Ctrl-W) I cannot find a keyboard shortcut or key to get back
out, and menu is gone of course. What is interesting is that re-opening
the file gives you the menus back, but "Screen Mode" remains in "Full
Screen Mode" (checkmark) even though it is not. 







With respect to "Recent Items" on the splash screen and "File>History" I
find expected behavior both before and after installing the patch. Seems
to work OK for me. 



Oran Petersen 







------------------------------



Message: 2

Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 20:05:45 -0500

From: "Mike Wickham" <i...@mikewickham.com>

Subject: Re: Frame 9 UI Scren Mode and Tab Icon Issues

To: "Oran Petersen" <orandeep at comcast.net>,

      <framers at lists.frameusers.com>

Message-ID: <065D5B78791A4CE08D58120A4FD9A21B at plecopress>

Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8";

      reply-type=original



> 2. If I use the "Screen Mode" icon to select "Full Screen Mode" the
menus 

> correctly disappear. So far the only way I have found to get back out
of 

> that mode is to close and reopen the file using keyboard shortcuts. 

> (Ctrl-W) I cannot find a keyboard shortcut or key to get back out, and


> menu is gone of course. What is interesting is that re-opening the
file 

> gives you the menus back, but "Screen Mode" remains in "Full Screen
Mode" 

> (checkmark) even though it is not.



Right-click, then choose Toggle Screen Mode from the context menu.



wincmds.cfg lists these shortcuts:

    Esc S M s for standard screen mode.

    Esc S M u for full screen with user interface.

    Esc SM f for full screen.

    Esc SM t to toggle screen mode.

However, none of these shortucts works for me-- only the right-click and


Toggle Screen Mode.



Mike Wickham









------------------------------



Message: 3

Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 20:13:38 -0500

From: "Mike Wickham" <i...@mikewickham.com>

Subject: Re: Frame 9 UI Scren Mode and Tab Icon Issues

To: "Oran Petersen" <orandeep at comcast.net>,

      <framers at lists.frameusers.com>

Message-ID: <23E0B0FC4F8343A5818BD8A2A699139A at plecopress>

Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8";

      reply-type=original



> For me the new user interface seems a little confusing and
inconsistent in 

> how it works, but I am

> figuring out most of it by experimentation and trial & error. The Help


> file is mostly worthless.

> Seems they forgot to update it for the new interface and icons in many


> cases.





You may want to check out the video at this link: 

http://my.adobe.acrobat.com/p17912987/. It explains a lot about the user


interface.



Mike Wickham











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Message: 4

Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 08:02:18 -0400

From: kgrace4...@aol.com

Subject: Printing PDF book to separate files

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I was wondering if anyone knows how to control the output file names of 

files that are printed when you select the option to print to "Separate 

Print job for Each Document".  I have a book with over 30 files ( more 

on the way) and by default I am prompted to save the file as 

XYZ.Book(Chapterfilename.pdf).  As you might imagine this can get to be 

tedious if this has to be performed each time I update the book.  I 

would ideally like to be able to have it print to the individual files 

without my interaction and automatically giving the output pdf file the 

name of the respective chapter file.  In this example the file would 

automatically name the file "chapterfilename.pdf".  Does anyone have 

any ideas on achieving this goal?





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Message: 5

Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 17:25:48 +0100

From: Yves Barbion <yves.barb...@gmail.com>

Subject: Re: Printing Structured View in Frame 8

To: Tony Tasillo <Tony.Tasillo at teexmail.tamu.edu>

Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com

Message-ID:

      <2d78e7070903240925x799ba6f9ua0c1a8801d484c5 at mail.gmail.com>

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Hi Tony



I don't know whether you can print the structure view of a file in

FrameMaker.  oXygen XML Editor, however, has a Tree Editor which is
quite

similar to Frame's Structure View and you can either print this tree
view of

an XML document or save it as a JPG image.



So, if your file is an XML file, you can download and install a trial

version of oXygen XML Editor to print your tree view or you can send
your

XML file to me and I will print it for you.



Hope this helps (a bit).



-- 

Yves Barbion ? Managing Director ? Adobe-Certified FrameMaker Instructor

www.scripto.nu  ? skype: yves.barbion  ? T: +32 494 12 01 89





On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 3:49 PM, Tony Tasillo <

Tony.Tasillo at teexmail.tamu.edu> wrote:



> Is there a way to print the structured view of a file in Frame 8? I
would

> like to print this particular view to use as a sample of the structure
for a

> meeting but want to be able print the entire document not just a few
screen

> captures.

> 

> Thank you,

> 

> 

> 

> Tony Tasillo

> Project Specialist and

> Customer Service Relations Representative

> 

> TEEX Operations

> 301 Tarrow Drive, Suite 268

> College Station, TX 77840-7896

> 

> Phone: 979/458-6029

> Fax:     979/458-6822

> tony.tasillo at teexmail.tamu.edu

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Message: 6

Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 11:30:59 -0500

From: Peter Gold <pe...@knowhowpro.com>

Subject: Re: Printing Structured View in Frame 8

To: Yves Barbion <yves.barbion at gmail.com>

Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com, Tony Tasillo

      <Tony.Tasillo at teexmail.tamu.edu>

Message-ID:

      <905e72990903240930o23485db5r42a759da0ab25f4b at mail.gmail.com>

Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8



Have you tried the scrolling-window capture feature in screen capture

tools like SnagIt?



I'm on my Mac now, so I can't try it myself. If you don't have SnagIt,

you can download a trial copy, or you can search Google for free

Windows screen-capture tools.



HTH`



Regards,



Peter

__________________

Peter Gold

KnowHow ProServices







On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 11:25 AM, Yves Barbion <yves.barbion at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi Tony

> 

> I don't know whether you can print the structure view of a file in

> FrameMaker. ?oXygen XML Editor, however, has a Tree Editor which is
quite

> similar to Frame's Structure View and you can either print this tree
view of

> an XML document or save it as a JPG image.

> 

> So, if your file is an XML file, you can download and install a trial

> version of oXygen XML Editor to print your tree view or you can send
your

> XML file to me and I will print it for you.

> 

> Hope this helps (a bit).

> 

> --

> Yves Barbion ? Managing Director ? Adobe-Certified FrameMaker
Instructor

> www.scripto.nu ?? skype: yves.barbion ?? T: +32 494 12 01 89

> 

> 

> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 3:49 PM, Tony Tasillo <

> Tony.Tasillo at teexmail.tamu.edu> wrote:

> 

>> Is there a way to print the structured view of a file in Frame 8? I
would

>> like to print this particular view to use as a sample of the
structure for a

>> meeting but want to be able print the entire document not just a few
screen

>> captures.

>> 

>> Thank you,

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> Tony Tasillo

>> Project Specialist and

>> Customer Service Relations Representative





------------------------------



Message: 7

Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 15:30:35 -0400

From: tom.k...@kodak.com

Subject: hyperlinks to files, to directories (also,   reference work on

      hyperlinks in FM)

To: framers at lists.frameusers.com

Message-ID:


<OF7A479093.060BE200-ON85257583.0068645A-85257583.006B2C7C at knotes.kodak.
com>



Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"



Hello,



I've looked through many postings related to hyperlinks, without luck. I


have a couple questions related to inserting hyperlinks to open a 

directory and to open a PDF file.



My system: 

FrameMaker 8.0p277

Windows XP, SP2



1. I don't well follow the FrameMaker help information on which
hypertext 

command to use for opening a PDF or a Windows Explorer directory. I've 

tried two:

Go to URL (message URL \\shared\techpubs2\Graphics\Conversion) -- works 

well for most directories, but not all--see 3.

Open document (openlink [many variations on the network location]) -- 

doesn't work, apparently



2. The use of forward slash and backslash has a bearing, I know. But I 

don't observe a consistent response to one or the other. I guess that
it's 

also related to the hypertext command I use, or the one I should use.
The 

\ works well for most of the Go to URL uses. 



3. One use of Go to URL includes parameters that are changed to another 

value when I select Edit Hypertext Marker. 

Original:

message URL \\shared\techpubs2\processes\graphic_naming

Changed to:

message URL \\shared\techpubs2\processes?raphic_naming



4. I have yet to find the right command and parameter set for opening a 

PDF at a known location.



5. The FrameMaker help is woefully inadequate. I infer that FM supports 

only a small portion of the possible hypertext command set. (Correct?) I


infer that the translation from FrameMaker to PDF also limits the 

functionality of hypertext. (Correct?) But does anyone have a better 

resource for understanding what hypertext is available and how it can be


exploited?



Thanks,

Tom



Thomas G (Tom) Kohn | Technical Editor | GCG WW Versamark Engineering 

Services | 

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tom.kohn at kodak.com | +01 937-259-3210 Office | +01 937-271-1484 Mobile |


+01 937-259-3784 Fax | 

www.graphics.kodak.com 



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Message: 8

Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 12:55:16 -0700

From: "Sharon Burton" <sha...@anthrobytes.com>

Subject: Another free webinar hosted by MadCap Software

To: <framers at lists.frameusers.com>

Message-ID: <003201c9acba$76383760$62a8a620$@com>

Content-Type: text/plain;     charset="UTF-8"



****Sort of a vendor post****



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Message: 9

Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 15:30:15 -0500

From: "Pinkham, Jim" <jim.pink...@voith.com>

Subject: RE: Frame 9 UI Scren Mode and Tab Icon Issues

To: "Megha Chaitanya" <megha at adobe.com>,

      <framers at lists.frameusers.com>

Message-ID:


<2BF7198089C96C438F66C74B3F43DD5E040153C5 at apls0111.euro1.voith.net>

Content-Type: text/plain;     charset="us-ascii"



Hi, Megha,



FWIW and to add what may be a slightly new wrinkle to #2: I'm using FM 9

in TCS 2, with the latest patch, and XP SP 2, and I find that when I

toggle in and out of the UI that I do not come back to the spot in the

chapter where I was working. Instead, I land at the end of the chapter

and have to find my way back. Any suggestions?



Jim





-----Original Message-----

From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com

[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Megha

Chaitanya

Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 8:11 AM

To: framers at lists.frameusers.com

Subject: RE: Frame 9 UI Scren Mode and Tab Icon Issues





Hi Oran,



Regarding your points, 



1. I cannot get the Paragraph Formatting tool bar Tab icons to work. On

earlier versions I could drag them onto the ruler to add new tabs. While

I can move existing tabs on the ruler, I cannot seem to add new with the

icons. The tab icons seem inoperative, as I cannot make to do anything

through dragging, double-click, etc. I do see the "New Tab Stop" text in

the paragraph designer flicker when I click an icon, but nothing else

happens . 





<Megha> To add a tab stop, click a tab stop symbol from Paragraph Format

toolbar and click the desired position below the top ruler. Refer to

FrameMaker 9 user guide , page 43.





2. If I use the "Screen Mode" icon to select? "Full Screen Mode" the

menus correctly disappear. So far the only way I have found to get back

out of that mode is to close and reopen the file using keyboard

shortcuts. (Ctrl-W) I cannot find a keyboard shortcut or key to get back

out, and menu is gone of course. What is interesting is that re-opening

the file gives you the menus back, but "Screen Mode" remains in "Full

Screen Mode" (checkmark) even though it is not. 



<Megha> To change the screen mode :

-> Right click on the grey area outside document window, then choose

Toggle Screen Mode from the context menu.

->You can use the following keyboard shortcuts :

    Esc S M s for standard screen mode.  

    Esc S M u for full screen with user interface.

    Esc SM f for full screen.

    Esc SM t to toggle screen mode.





Regards,

Megha 



----------------------------------------------------------------------



Message: 1

Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 19:50:07 +0000 (UTC)

From: Oran Petersen <orand...@comcast.net>

Subject: Frame 9 UI Scren Mode and Tab Icon Issues

To: framers at lists.frameusers.com

Message-ID:



<1081429083.7173841237665007668.JavaMail.root at sz0127a.emeryville.ca.mail

.comcast.net>



Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8









I am using TCS2 with Frame 9 with the patch on XP SP3. 



For me the new user interface seems a little confusing and inconsistent

in how it works, but I am figuring out most of it by experimentation and

trial & error. The Help file is mostly worthless. Seems they forgot to

update it for the new interface and icons in many cases. 







Two UI items however, escape me. 







1. I cannot get the Paragraph Formatting tool bar Tab icons to work. On

earlier versions I could drag them onto the ruler to add new tabs. While

I can move existing tabs on the ruler, I cannot seem to add new with the

icons. The tab icons seem inoperative, as I cannot make to do anything

through dragging, double-click, etc. I do see the "New Tab Stop" text in

the paragraph designer flicker when I click an icon, but nothing else

happens . 







2. If I use the "Screen Mode" icon to select? "Full Screen Mode" the

menus correctly disappear. So far the only way I have found to get back

out of that mode is to close and reopen the file using keyboard

shortcuts. (Ctrl-W) I cannot find a keyboard shortcut or key to get back

out, and menu is gone of course. What is interesting is that re-opening

the file gives you the menus back, but "Screen Mode" remains in "Full

Screen Mode" (checkmark) even though it is not. 







With respect to "Recent Items" on the splash screen and "File>History" I

find expected behavior both before and after installing the patch. Seems

to work OK for me. 



Oran Petersen 







------------------------------



Message: 2

Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 20:05:45 -0500

From: "Mike Wickham" <i...@mikewickham.com>

Subject: Re: Frame 9 UI Scren Mode and Tab Icon Issues

To: "Oran Petersen" <orandeep at comcast.net>,

      <framers at lists.frameusers.com>

Message-ID: <065D5B78791A4CE08D58120A4FD9A21B at plecopress>

Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8";

      reply-type=original



> 2. If I use the "Screen Mode" icon to select "Full Screen Mode" the 

> menus correctly disappear. So far the only way I have found to get 

> back out of that mode is to close and reopen the file using keyboard

shortcuts.

> (Ctrl-W) I cannot find a keyboard shortcut or key to get back out, and



> menu is gone of course. What is interesting is that re-opening the 

> file gives you the menus back, but "Screen Mode" remains in "Full

Screen Mode"

> (checkmark) even though it is not.



Right-click, then choose Toggle Screen Mode from the context menu.



wincmds.cfg lists these shortcuts:

    Esc S M s for standard screen mode.

    Esc S M u for full screen with user interface.

    Esc SM f for full screen.

    Esc SM t to toggle screen mode.

However, none of these shortucts works for me-- only the right-click and

Toggle Screen Mode.



Mike Wickham









------------------------------



Message: 3

Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 20:13:38 -0500

From: "Mike Wickham" <i...@mikewickham.com>

Subject: Re: Frame 9 UI Scren Mode and Tab Icon Issues

To: "Oran Petersen" <orandeep at comcast.net>,

      <framers at lists.frameusers.com>

Message-ID: <23E0B0FC4F8343A5818BD8A2A699139A at plecopress>

Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8";

      reply-type=original



> For me the new user interface seems a little confusing and 

> inconsistent in how it works, but I am figuring out most of it by 

> experimentation and trial & error. The Help file is mostly worthless.

> Seems they forgot to update it for the new interface and icons in many



> cases.





You may want to check out the video at this link: 

http://my.adobe.acrobat.com/p17912987/. It explains a lot about the user

interface.



Mike Wickham











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Message: 10

Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 15:10:34 -0700

From: "Carl Yorke" <carl.yo...@playtag.com>

Subject: Structured docs or conditional text

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Hi All,



I came to tech writing late in life (ten years ago), so there's a lot

about it, and technology, that doesn't come naturally.







I want to single source my install instructions. All outputs right now

are PDF, but I need to document how to install our product for

production, for QA, and for demos. In addition, the install instructions

vary depending on the hardware. 







Conditional text seems awfully complex for this situation, and I don't

even know if using structured FrameMaker is a possible solution. 







Any thoughts?







Thanks,



Carl Yorke



TAG Systems



Mountain View, CA







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Message: 11

Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 17:40:04 -0500

From: "David Spreadbury" <dspre...@yahoo.com>

Subject: RE: Structured docs or conditional text

To: "'Carl Yorke'" <Carl.Yorke at playtag.com>,

      <framers at lists.frameusers.com>

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Carl,

The answer is both  flavors of Frame will handle Conditional Text with
ease,

and from what you say below, conditional text is the way to go, whether
it

be structured or unstructured.



A few things to consider:



1) Decide on an input scheme, always put the differences in the document
in

the same order, i.e., unconditional, condition1, condition2, condition3,

etc. If an instance occurs that doesn't use a particular condition,
still

maintain the overall scheme.

2) When you have two conditions in, turn one off and make sure the
sentence

reads correct. Change as required.

3) Watch out for table cells. In unstructured Frame, you can
conditionalize

rows, not columns. In structured Frame, create multiple copies of the
table,

make the changes, then conditionalize the entire table (at least that
has

been my experience).

4) You can conditionalize individual content within a cell.

5) In unstructured Frame, watch carefully when selecting entire lines

(paragraphs, bullets in lists, etc. Make sure you capture the entire
line,

including the end-of-line (turn on View Text Symbols).

6) In structured Frame you can select the element in the Structured
View,

which simplifies matters.

7) Probably a no-brainer, but set your conditions before creating your
PDF.

The PDF will then contain only the conditions that are turned on in the

Frame file.



I am sure you will hear from others, either correcting some of the above

points or pointing out some options I missed.



HTH

Dave Spreadbury





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To: framers at lists.frameusers.com

Subject: Structured docs or conditional text



Hi All,



I came to tech writing late in life (ten years ago), so there's a lot

about it, and technology, that doesn't come naturally.







I want to single source my install instructions. All outputs right now

are PDF, but I need to document how to install our product for

production, for QA, and for demos. In addition, the install instructions

vary depending on the hardware. 







Conditional text seems awfully complex for this situation, and I don't

even know if using structured FrameMaker is a possible solution. 







Any thoughts?







Thanks,



Carl Yorke









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Message: 12

Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 19:23:10 -0500

From: qui...@airmail.net

Subject: Re: Structured docs or conditional text

To: Carl Yorke <Carl.Yorke at playtag.com>

Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com

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In essence, both can do what you want. Structured language is easier to 

manage, but more difficult and expensive to initiate. Conditional text 

will work, you have to know what conditions are exclusive, which are 

inclusive with which scenarios, and structure the conditions that way. 

It can be tricky.



Scott



Carl Yorke wrote:

> Hi All,

> 

> I came to tech writing late in life (ten years ago), so there's a lot

> about it, and technology, that doesn't come naturally.

> 

>  

> 

> I want to single source my install instructions. All outputs right now

> are PDF, but I need to document how to install our product for

> production, for QA, and for demos. In addition, the install
instructions

> vary depending on the hardware. 

> 

>  

> 

> Conditional text seems awfully complex for this situation, and I don't

> even know if using structured FrameMaker is a possible solution. 

> 

>  

> 

> Any thoughts?

> 

>  

> 

> Thanks,

> 

> Carl Yorke

> 

> TAG Systems

> 

> Mountain View, CA

> 

> _______________________________________________

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