Hi Robert, If you (have the time to) browse through the archives, you will find that the list is not very restrictive, although politics and any kind of "flaming" are not welcomed. I have noticed only two posts now on politics, so I would suggest that we ignore the whole thing and go on with our businesses and discussions on FrameMaker in its wider context.
Kind regards, Bodvar Bjorgvinsson Iceland 2012/3/22 Robert M Graw <rmgraw at ra.rockwell.com> > All, > I'm new to the Frame Users group (less than two weeks) and I appreciate > most of the postings for their value and insight. My company is upgrading > from FM8 to FM10 so any comments and suggestions about FM10 (tips, tricks, > warnings, etc.) are welcomed. > It might not seem like my place as a "newbie" but Keith's extreme comments > have served as a valuable reminder---aren't postings meant to be about FM? > Business laws, Big B, or political affiliations have little bearing on how > FM does or doesn't work. I think there have been enough replies to Keith of > that fact already. > My best recommendation for Ken in Atlanta is to find new employment IF that > is a possibility because you're using FM in ways that most companies > wouldn't, at least not companies who understand the value of safety and > industry reputation. However, what people have suggested in the interim is > very sound advice. > To all, thanks for the postings and great reading material---keep it up! > > (Embedded image moved to file: pic27967.jpg) > > > > From: "Rick Quatro" <rick at rickquatro.com> > To: <framers at lists.frameusers.com> > Date: 03/22/2012 02:24 PM > Subject: RE: best use of graphics in FM (was: framers Digest, Vol > 77, > Issue 17) > Sent by: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com > > > > Keith, > > Your signature contains a definition of a racist. I wonder what you call > someone who makes blanket statements about unions, "big business", and > "republicans". I will be kind and call it stereotyping. It takes some > effort and intelligence to research issues and discuss them on their merits > instead of categorizing things according to labels, political talking > points, and sound bites. But of course, this requires that we think, which > is more work than many people are willing to do. > > Respectfully (your Republican friend), > Rick > > Rick Quatro > Carmen Publishing Inc. > *** 585-283-5045 *** NEW NUMBER > rick at frameexpert.com > http://www.frameexpert.com > > > Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2012 15:21:53 -0700 > From: keith.smyth at att.net > Subject: Re: framers Digest, Vol 77, Issue 17 > To: framers at lists.frameusers.com > Ken, it might be a good idea to inform you MANAGER of the Third Tort Law. > > You need to protect yourself by getting written instructions on what to > include, and not include in the document. I saw this happen to an > individual I was working with. Fortunately, he had signed instructions from > the Product Manager to not include some safety instructions, as it would > "upset the customer". So when a customer got burned badly, the customer > went after the company, the company went after the writer, and the writer > offered up the program manager, who got fired, and sued. Yeah, CYA. > > Tort's Third Law > It is a good idea to be versed in Tort Law, specifically Tort's Third Law. > The emphasis of the Tort Law is consumer protection. Tort Law did for the > consumer what the unions did for the worker. According to the Third Law, > "A product is defective when, at the time of sale or distribution, it > contains a manufacturing defect, is defective in design or is defective > because of INADEQUATE INSTRUCTIONS OR WARNINGS." > > This is important to any of us in the technical writing domain, as it puts > the onus on us to provide adequate (and standard) instructions, which > includes warnings in the instructions (and on labels if that is a part of > our job). Most writers are completely oblivious to their responsibility > under the Tort Law and many companies are equally oblivious (or choose to > ignore). > As such, they are also ignorant to the fact that they can be sued in a > liability action, as a company and as individuals, for their failure to > provide adequate instructions and warnings. > > To make matters even more complicated, it's a double-edged sword for a > writer. Business loves to hate the Tort Law and tends to kill the > messenger. If you, as the writer, are doing a proper job, you are the > messenger. > > There are also very few places that teach you this stuff - even the > university tech writing courses overlook it. > If you muck around without knowing the standards and the law, you could get > yourself and your clients sued. > > BTW, The Big B (big business) is currently throwing a lot of money at our > political types to try and weaken the Tort Law and relieve themselves of > the burden of liability (recalling those bloody toys that kill or maim kids > is such a blessed nuisance and just munches away at the bottom line). > > In addition, any politicians who do not play ball will find themselves up > against some pretty big bucks intent on running them out on a rail. The > republicans in particular are fond of coming to the aid of Big B and can be > counted on to slam dunk your protection under the current law. > > -- > Keith L. Smyth > President > Smyth Consulting > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Voting for someone because they are black is as racist > as voting against someone because they are black. > > Beware an intrusive government. > > GOD BLESS THE UNITED STATES > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Technical Documentation Consultant > _______________________________________________ > > > You are currently subscribed to framers as rmgraw at ra.rockwell.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/rmgraw%40ra.rockwell.com > > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. 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