FrameMaker 2015 provided the OPTION to use either unicolor or colored icons in the menu bar, and also to scale the menu bar icons larger. FrameMaker 2017 doesn't have the option available anymore.
I don't understand why providing that as an OPTION was taken away, since that allowed those who like color or larger scale icons in the menu/toolbars to have them, and those who prefer to have them look like the interface in other Adobe products to have that. I don't think anyone here is asking that the menu/toolbar interface be all one way or all the other. We're asking that both ways be available, as they were in FM2015, so that we can make a choice regarding how we prefer them. On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 7:40 PM, Stefan Gentz <ge...@adobe.com> wrote: > Hi all, > > we heard you! > > Thanks for all your feedback on the new icon design. We do appreciate your > feedback. > > As you might imagine, we did not take the decision to go for a uni-color > design easy and a lot of considerations and user feedback went into this. > And yes, there was a diverse feedback from users: Some users liked the > colored icons (for reasons many if you mentioned here as well) and strongly > encouraged us to keep the colored icons, others preferred a uni-color > design as they are used to it from other Adobe Apps and because they > preferred a more "calm", less "distracting" working environment and > strongly encouraged us to go for this. Also there is a wide range of users > worldwide throughout many countries and cultures and age groups with a wide > range of expectations. > > And no, we did not "dismiss and belittled" feedback in the prerelease > phase. But the feedback came in a very late phase and there was no time > left to take this into consideration. There are hundreds of icons and the > majority of them are in multiple sites for the new high-dpi screen > compatibility. It's nothing that can be done "overnight". > > Again, we did hear you and understand that there is a wide range of > personal preferences and tastes. We will discuss this over the next weeks > internally and explore the possibilities to satisfy the wishes from both > user groups – those who like the colored icons and those who prefer > uni-colored icons. > > By the way, my personal take on this is: I like the uni-color design and > prefer it over the colored icons. I like it, because it's more calm and > allows me to focus more on the content and get less distracted by a big > bunch of "candy-colored" icons (yes, Matt Sullivan, I know … ;-)). > I'm just used to this style as I also work every day in PhotoShop, > Illustrator and InDesign as well. And I'm used to it, as many modern apps, > tools, systems all have this kind of design. I just like it and it's for > sure a personal preference. > By the way, I work with FrameMaker intensively for more than 20 years and > have pushed out several million of pages and went through all the UI > changes over the last ten product generations. And personally I think the > new FM 2017 UI is the best FrameMaker ever had – in terms of logical > enhancements and restructuring, terminology enhancements and consistency, > user-friendliness and productivity enhancements and technical advancements > (I'm running FM on a modern high-dpi screen and LOVE the crystal clear, > sharp UI and text editing). > But again, that's just my personal 2 cents as a hardcore and long-term > user ;-) > > > > Regards, > Stefan Gentz > Global Evangelist, Technical Communication > [Adobe]<http://www.adobe.com/> [Adobe TCS Icon] <http://www.adobe.com/ > products/technicalcommunicationsuite.html> [Adobe FrameMaker Icon] < > http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker.html> [Adobe RoboHelp Icon] < > http://www.adobe.com/products/robohelp.html> [Adobe Captivate Icon] < > http://www.adobe.com/products/captivate.html> [Adobe Acrobat Icon] < > http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat.html> > Connect with us: > [http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/files/2015/12/facebook-128-128px.jpg] > Facebook<https://www.facebook.com/adobetcs> | [http://blogs.adobe.com/ > techcomm/files/2015/12/twitter.jpg] Twitter<https://twitter.com/adobetcs> > | [http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/files/2015/12/LinkedIn.jpg] LinkedIn< > https://www.linkedin.com/groups/2381149> | [http://blogs.adobe.com/ > techcomm/files/2015/12/YouTube.jpg] YouTube<https://www.youtube. > com/user/AdobeTCS> | [http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/files/2015/12/Blog. > jpg] Our Blog<http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/> | [ > http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/files/2015/12/Forum-Chats.jpg] Adobe TCS > User Forum<https://forums.adobe.com/community/technical_ > communications_suite> > > > On 16 Mar 2017, at 18:38, Lin Sims <ljsims...@gmail.com<mailto:lj > sims...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > For those who might be curious, we're up to 32 votes! > > On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 3:50 PM, Lin Sims <ljsims...@gmail.com<mailto:lj > sims...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > And pretty soon they may think you've started a movement. > > On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 2:39 PM, Craig, Alison <acr...@bkultrasound.com< > mailto:acr...@bkultrasound.com>> > wrote: > > I voted for both of them. > > Very timely as well - having just had an ophthalmology appointment this > morning for my old and tired eyes. ;-))) > > Alison > > > From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+acraig= > bkultrasound....@lists.frameusers.com<mailto:bkultras > ound....@lists.frameusers.com>] On Behalf Of Lin Sims > Sent: Friday, March 10, 2017 6:37 AM > To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. > Subject: Re: [Framers] FM 2017 Feature Request: Restore color and scaling > to menu icons > > Direct link to Dave Stamm's request is: > > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url= > https%3A%2F%2Ftracker.adobe.com%2F%23%2Fview%2FFRMAKER- > 2451&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cb10d4d8d752648c5788a08d46c934ae6% > 7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636252827264834403&sdata= > JiIxwuDihAvXnnzyq0LGNwxcEIpmC6LPkZz%2BAwOEhoY%3D&reserved=0 > > (Dave, your link takes us to the fill-in form, not to your specific > request.) > > On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 8:59 AM, Stamm, David <david.st...@gd-ms.com > <mailto:david.st...@gd-ms.com> > <mailto:david.st...@gd-ms.com%3e> wrote: > > 2017-03-10-05T14:00Z > > Well, disappointingly but not surprisingly, my feature request did not > survive the transition to Adobe's new setup. > > So, I just submitted it again. > > At https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url= > https%3A%2F%2Ftracker.adobe.com%2F%23%2Fadd_feature&data=02%7C01%7C% > 7Cb10d4d8d752648c5788a08d46c934ae6%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178de > cee1%7C0%7C0%7C636252827264834403&sdata=1%2BXyjsi8w8rLFHHB% > 2B1hCMWokuG7GjjWC7fZ7NtmSMLQ%3D&reserved=0 , the "Bug Id" is > FRMAKER-2451. > > Thank you for your support. > > Regards, > Dave Stamm > Information Engineer > > -----Original Message----- > From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+david.stamm=gd-ms.com<http://gd-ms. > com>@lists. > frameusers.com<http://frameusers.com>] On Behalf Of Lin Sims > Sent: 2017-03-09-Thursday 15:33 > To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. > Subject: Re: [Framers] FM 2017 Feature Request: Restore color and > scaling > to menu icons > > Send me the link, Dave, I'll vote for yours, too! > > On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 3:16 PM, Stamm, David <david.st...@gd-ms.com > <mailto:david.st...@gd-ms.com> > <mailto:david.st...@gd-ms.com%3e> > wrote: > > 2017-03-09-04T20:15Z > > I, too, voted in favor of your request. I also pointed out that your > request is analogous to my request to enlarge the typeface in the > dialog box for index entries. Good luck. > > Dave Stamm > Information Engineer > > -----Original Message----- > From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+david.stamm=gd-ms.com<http://gd-ms. > com>@lists. > frameusers.com<http://frameusers.com>] On Behalf Of Lin Sims > Sent: 2017-03-09-Thursday 13:14 > To: Frame Users > Subject: [Framers] FM 2017 Feature Request: Restore color and scaling > to menu icons > > I recently purchased FM 2017 for myself at home, and was most > displeased to see that the menu icons had been returned to the > "corporate standard" of tiny and faded, so that they are difficult to > distinguish. This is causing me some eye strain, and I'm not at all > happy about it. > > I've put in an official feature request with Adobe, and I'm hoping at > least some of you agree with me and would be willing to vote for the > request. > > I am told that the complaints of the pre-release participants on this > subject were "dismissed and belittled"; perhaps if more users let > Adobe know that this is a real issue they'll listen this time. > Frankly, I don't understand why they didn't listen to the testers who > complained. 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