Some Framers are considering alternate applications, so compatibility information and usability comparisons are useful.
As to possibly-embedded characters affecting line endings and similar behavior, the InDesign option to hide/reveal hidden characters can help. On Fri, Aug 20, 2021, 8:54 PM Syed Zaeem Hosain <[email protected]> wrote: > I just realized that I am wasting time for you all with an > InDesign-related thread in a FrameMaker forum. > > Sorry about that! ☹ > > So ... moving on ... > > Z > > -----Original Message----- > From: Framers <[email protected]> > On Behalf Of Syed Zaeem Hosain > Sent: Friday, August 20, 2021 6:49 PM > To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. < > [email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Framers] Importing InDesign IDML into two tools. Was RE: FM > 10 on a new computer. > > Robert, my son checked and could not find an Export or Save As capability > for RTF in InDesign. Do you, or anyone else, know if this is possible? > > Peter, the readback of the IDML back into InDesign was fine! My son noted > that the display looked like the original INDD file. > > FWIW, I also tried opening the PDF (from InDesign) into Word and > discovered some of the same errors (for example, carriage returns in wrong > places in the text). The only thing I have not tried yet is to output Word > or RTF format from Acrobat Pro ... hmmm. > > It is possible that our tech writer (no longer with us, unfortunately) who > did the InDesign work for this document had extra carrier returns in there > - which do not "show" in the PDF or within InDesign, but are present when > the PDF (into Word) and IDML (into Affinity and Designer Pro) are imported! > > Since I do not have an InDesign license, I cannot verify this myself ... > may download a trial to check things out myself, but I am not familiar with > InDesign, so this may be slow ... > > Z > > -----Original Message----- > From: Framers <[email protected]> > On Behalf Of Peter Gold > Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2021 7:57 PM > To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. < > [email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Framers] Importing InDesign IDML into two tools. Was RE: FM > 10 on a new computer. > > Hi, Robert! > > For whatever reasons, I never needed or wanted to go to Github, until > now....!!! Egad! > > Now that I’ve seen this, I’m not going to wonder about it. I am sure I’m > not going down this rabbit hole. It reminds me of the scene in the Tom > Sawyer movie I saw as a kid, when the string ran out and the candle died, > and I was sure if I were with Tom and Becky, I'd never get back outside the > cave. ;) > > But, this peek answers some of my questions about the problems being > discussed here. > > The real issues, IMO, is which FrameMaker document properties an author > expects to preserve when converting to another application, and whether the > goal is to return the transformed and modified document perfectly > re-interpreted to FM from the foreign application. Basically, two different > universes need to be preserved - text and objects. Each application > describes text and object properties with different languages and > structures. And, just as in human languages, some ideas don't translate > directly. Over FM's lifetime, some later releases had problems supporting > structures from earlier ones. If this stuff were easy, it wouldn't have > taken so long for some seemingly-simple feature requests to have been > honored. > > So, in this branch of the thread, I wonder if converting a document to a > competing layout application preserves layout features, does FM or ID text > that's copied and pasted into the converted layout survive well, or is it > also garbled as described? Does RTF work better or worse? Remember that > InDesign has one of the most sophisticated text composition engines. So, > perhaps the competitors don't compute text properties as well, or they lack > some comparable computed properties. > > > On Thu, Aug 19, 2021 at 4:22 PM Robert Lauriston <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > Did you try exporting from InDesign as RTF? > > > > Even if they're not using the same library, such as > https://github.com/jorisros/IDMLlib , other applications will inevitably > have trouble reading IDM if they can't do everything that InDesign can. > > > > On Thu, Aug 19, 2021 at 2:12 PM Syed Zaeem Hosain > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > A last update. > > > > > > Reading the IDML back into InDesign worked fine - looked like the > original! > > > > > > So, both these other tools have some limitations importing IDML. > > > > > > Although Affinity Publisher was a small amount better (not enough to > justify my getting yet another editing tool - I will get the trial lapse). > > > > > > So, they are clearly fine for *new* work, but importing IDML from > InDesign would require repair to fix some errors - which errors, as > mentioned earlier, surprisingly overlapped in the tools. > _______________________________________________ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to [email protected] Visit the list's homepage > at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to [email protected] > _______________________________________________ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to [email protected] > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to [email protected] _______________________________________________ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to [email protected] Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to [email protected]
