Hi!

I'm doing research at the School of Communication and Arts at the
University of São Paulo on the use of text in certain films. I am having
difficulty accessing two texts published in the book The films of Joyce
Wieland, edited by Kathryn Elder, published by the Toronto International
Film Festival Group, in 1999: (1) “I Don't Even Know about the Second
Stanza”, a conversation between Hollis Frampton and Joyce Wieland, and (2)
“Notes after a Conversation between Hollis and Joyce” by R. Bruce Elder.
Can someone provide me PDF or image of these texts? I will be very grateful.

João Reynaldo
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