Both of them are much larger cities than San Francisco.

On 8/30/11 11:59 AM, "Aaron F. Ross" <aa...@digitalartsguild.com> wrote:

> Well said, Brook. I have had such high expectations of San Francisco
> that it's probably my fault if I'm disappointed. However, I have
> lived in other cities, and it's my experience that both LA and
> Chicago have better art scenes than San Francisco.
> 
> Aaron
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> At 8/30/2011, you wrote:
>> Chris Kennedy's observations pretty much reflect my own experience here.
>> 
>> There are varying degrees of open-ness to new ideas in San
>> Francisco. ATA and Other Cinema are fantastic and accessible. SF
>> Cinematheque is still going. Smaller venues are popping up or
>> continuing and expanding which is good.
>> 
>> But San Francisco won't hand you anything. And frankly, there is a
>> ceiling here for any type of creative endeavor. In the end, this is
>> a city of consumers more than a city of producers - but its such a
>> small city that this doesn't always translate to great opportunities
>> for producers of non-mainstream work. The primary audience for
>> moving image art here is other moving image artists. Same with other
>> underground or non-mainstream forms. It also helps to be somewhat
>> extroverted and comfortable being part of a defined "scene" - those
>> of us who stay and don't fit those models do keep working in our
>> hermetic ways, but often focus outside of the city.
>> 
>> The cost of living is high and it's a real challenge for any artist.
>> 
>> You can create a scene here. You can have an influence on existing
>> scenes. I hope you do if you come here! But it's neither Portland
>> nor New York, to cite what to me to represent two vital poles of the
>> creative opportunity spectrum in the US.
>> 
>> 
>>  Brook Hinton
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 5:08 AM, tooth hinckley jr
>> <<mailto:blackholecin...@gmail.com>blackholecin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> "There is also a new venue in west Oakland called "Black Hole" which
>> (I believe) promotes itself primarily via Facebook. Best just to go
>> there (Facebook that is, assuming if you are part of the Facebook
>> hive mind) and search for them"
>> 
>> thanks for the mention, but i use facebook as tool, like any other,
>> however i would hesitate to identify myself or the theatre with any
>> "hive mind mentality" such as that. I always have said if you don't
>> learn how to use a tool you become one. sorry if i seem defensive,
>> these are my ramblings of a recovering "luddite" perhaps, and once
>> again, honestly though, i'm assuming you meant no ill will and thanks
>> 
>> our primary source of "promoting ourselves" would probably be
>> through extensive word of mouth and flyering. which we did before
>> our "web presence" and will continue to do throughout and in
>> collaboration with various online pathways.
>> we are indeed new, and just getting on our feet as a regular public venue.
>> we also have a blog for announcements which is
>> <http://blackholecinema.wordpress.com>blackholecinema.wordpress.com,
>> I am also at work on a regular print publication as an extension of
>> the microcinema as well.
>> 
>> we have free tuesday screenings and project both digital and
>> celluloid (usually 16mm). we are working on starting to have monthly
>> group showings and are also beginning to host paying gigs for the
>> work of touring films and filmmakers
>> 
>> if you would like to get in touch or learn more about the place
>> email me at <mailto:blackholecin...@gmail.com>blackholecin...@gmail.com
>> or stop by the warehouse (or send a letter!) at 1038 24th street/
>> Oakland, CA/94607
>> 
>> 
>> 
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