it is very interesting marilyn thanks for posting it as some artists - stan, robert smithson - spoke of their art really being in their act of seeing - though i believe they would tend toward the optics and not the brain centers it enters as where the art is stimulated/stimulating - sort of like ears for a musician - the brain can for me get undue attention i am more interested in the interconnectedness and getting outside of the controls of the hierarchical/stratifying/wordy brain - actual being is much more interesting
On 10/31/11, Aaron F. Ross <aa...@digitalartsguild.com> wrote: > I haven't read C.S. Lewis, I could never tolerate the heavy-handed > Christian apologism. Tolkien was the better writer because he > abhorred allegory. Anyway, I think it's worth questioning whether > "The Abolition of Man" might not be such a bad thing after all. Or, > to quote Nietzche, man is something to be overcome. The utter > virtualization of all experience may liberate consciousness in ways > we puny humans cannot comprehend. Intellect and vision are emergent > properties of consciousness; we should be doing everything in our > power to extend those capabilities or risk obsolescence. The > singularity is coming whether we like it or not. Shall we light a > candle, or curse the darkness? > > Aaron > > ----------------- > > > At 10/30/2011, you wrote: >>Yes -- and there will always be constraints of one kind or >>another. New tools will still be tools. . . . My "unsettling" >>reference was in regard to the inevitable misuse of the tools. But >>the various roles of artists will likely include, as always, >>creating new and alternative visions as informed by whatever >>technologies exist, as well as ongoing social/cultural criticism >>and provocation. But to Aaron's comment: while "the most >>imaginative visionaries" and "pure intellect" (whatever that may >>be) seem somehow contradictory . . . i,e. from where do these >>visions and intellect arise? . . . it is certainly believable that >>the scope possibilities will be widened. It's just that the notion >>of the end of artisanal craftsmanship does sound a bit like "That >>Hideous Strength." Marilyn On 29-Oct-11, at 1:21 PM, Brook Hinton >>wrote: > And before I get labeled as a luddite or film fetishist, >>which anyone > who knows me knows I am not at all - I love the >>things digital > technology has opened up for making and >>experiencing art. My work has > been completely digital for years >>(though I also love, and loved > working with, film for its own >>unique capabilities). And I can > certainly see "brain recordings" >>as great ingredients in a piece of > art made with constrained >>tools. But raw vision dump? I want to see > the amazing collision of >>the artist's vision with the tools and > materials - digital, >>analog, virtual, I don't care - not the one > unmasked >>ingredient. > > Brook > > > On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 1:16 PM, Brook >>Hinton <bhin...@gmail.com> > wrote: >> I am interested in tools >>because they can jolt my mind into finding / >> expressing / using >>things it couldn't otherwise envision. The >> "constraint" of tools >>is the key to aesthetic transformation, which >> then helps me see / >>live better the rest of the time. >> >> I'm not interested in >>unfiltered manifestation of something direct >> from my, or >>anyone's, brain. I already live there. Same even with the >> "dream" >>of 3D 360degree cinema - I already live in a 3D immersive >> world. >>I need things like cinema to enlighten, inform, enhance being >> >>alive, not duplicate it - goes for the life outside as well as >>inner >> life. >> >> Making art is a way to surpass the limitations >>of the brain. The >> constraints of the tools are catalysts in this >>process. >> >> >> Brook >> >> >> >> On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 11:38 >>AM, Aaron F. Ross >> <aa...@digitalartsguild.com> wrote: >>> This is >>not unsettling to me, I've been waiting for it to happen >>> since I >>first read science fiction stories as a young boy. >>> >>> With >>brain-machine interfaces, the opportunities for self-expression >>> >>will be blown wide open. At that point, I'm hoping that the most >>> >>imaginative visionaries should be able to rise to the forefront >>of >>> public awareness. No longer will we be constrained by >>tools. >>> Artisanal craftsmanship will no longer exist, to be >>replaced by pure >>> intellect. And that's a good thing. >>> >>> I >>gave a talk this year that touched upon this topic, mainly in >>the >>> context of how 3D graphics has widened the scope of >>possibilities >>> for >>> art and communication. I know that >>computer art is very unpopular >>> among this crowd, I've been >>attacked again and again for mentioning >>> it, so let the flames >>begin. I'm wearing my flame-retardant vest. >>> >>> >>http://www.dr-yo.com/video_dorkbot_2011.html >>> >>> >>Aaron >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> At 10/28/2011, you wrote: >>>> >>Interesting article with complex social, biological, as well >>>> >>as aesthetic implications into the future. . . . Obviously, >>>> >>capturing imagery is a far cry from understanding the >>complexities >>>> of 'thought,' and it's still very futuristic, but >>as we >>>> conceivably >>>> 'think' to each other, or project our >>thought/images, there would >>>> have to be resultant changes in >>consciousness, and the role of the >>>> artist would necessarily be >>re-defined along with >>>> everything/everyone else. "Direct" >>visual art? Ultimate loss of >>>> the artisanal? And/or a >>revitalizing of same? I realize this has >>>> little or no >>immediate relevance to anyone here (probably), but it >>>> showed >>up in my email and I just thought some frameworkers would >>>> >>possibly find it interesting as well: >>>> >>http://gizmodo.com/5843117/scientists-reconstruct-video-clips-from-brain-activity >> >> >>>> Marilyn Brakhage >>_______________________________________________ >>>> FrameWorks >>mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com >>>> >>https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks >>> >>> >>------------------------------------------- >>> >>> Aaron F. >>Ross >>> Digital Arts Guild >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>> FrameWorks >>mailing list >>> FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com >>> >>https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks >>> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> ____________________________ >> Brook Hinton >> Moving >>Image and Sound Maker >> www.brookhinton.com >> >> Associate >>Professor / Assistant Chair >> Film Program at CCA >> California >>College of the Arts >> www.cca.edu/film >> > > > > -- > >>____________________________ > Brook Hinton > Moving Image and Sound >>Maker > www.brookhinton.com > > Associate Professor / Assistant >>Chair > Film Program at CCA > California College of the Arts > >>www.cca.edu/film > _______________________________________________ > >>FrameWorks mailing list > FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com > >>https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks >>_______________________________________________ FrameWorks mailing >>list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com >>https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks > > ------------------------------------------- > > Aaron F. 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