Hi Frameworks,
I am about to move to Paris for 9 months and I wanted to know if anyone
could suggest how to order 16mm film. Any stocks, but preferably Color
Reversal or Black and White Reversal, Hi-con.
Thank you,
Katherine

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>    5. [Experimental Film Discussion List] Super8 B&W help
>       (Jason Stauffacher)
>    6. looking for two music films... (jb.mabe)
>    7. Re: [Experimental Film Discussion List] Super8 B&W help
>       (Jason Halprin)
>    8. Re: [Experimental Film Discussion List] Super8 B&W help
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> From: Marcelle Pecot <marcellepe...@yahoo.com>
> To: frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com
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> Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 14:50:47 -0700 (PDT)
> Subject: [Frameworks] 16mm film equipment for sale
> For more details and pictures, please contact me directly
> marcellepe...@yahoo.com or call (607)229-9098.
> Thank you,
> Marcelle
>
> The following 16mm equipment for sale right now.
> Best Offer considered on all items.
>
> •    Editing bench: Sturdy metal (60” w x 28” d x 34” h) with front
> drawer, light box and power supply w/removable top metal shelf.  Good
> condition. $80.
>
> •    16mm, 4-gang, Ediquip Hollywood synchronizer  (a couple of sound
> heads, no connectors) good condition. $50
>
> •    Single-frame step motor for Bolex camera, Hurst, 120 rpm, 115 V, 60
> Hz, button trigger on 16' extension. Like new. $300
>
> •    Editing Bin, with wheels in O.K. condition. $30
>
> •    Reels & cans, various sizes: 1-35mm, 14”; many daylight 100’ spools &
> boxes; old 400’ & 100’ cans (free); 2” , 3” cores; 25' plastic and more.
> Make offer.
>
> BOOKS: EXPERIMENTAL, FILM PRODUCTION, EDITING, LIGHTING, CINEMATOGRAPHY,
> DIGITAL, VIDEO, HISTORY, THEORY & CRITICISM, WOMEN IN FILM.
>
> Within the next month, the following equipment will be offered for sale:
>
> •   Steenbeck flatbed, 4-plate, older model, works great, recently
> repaired, gently runs film (picture and magnetic track; optical or magnetic
> composite) at 24 fps or slower for analysis, easy to maintain, extra bulb,
> and fuses.
>
> •    Magna- Sync Moviola winds.
>
> •    Zeiss Moviscop viewer, new bulbs and fuses, Works great.
>
> •   Rivas picture splicer,  black, straight cut, great condition.
>
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: 40 Frames <i...@40frames.org>
> To: Experimental Film Discussion List <frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com>
> Cc:
> Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 15:03:19 -0700
> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] 16mm film equipment for sale
>
> Marcel,
>
> Are you in Ithaca, NY?
>
> Alain
>
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 2:50 PM, Marcelle Pecot 
> <marcellepe...@yahoo.com>wrote:
>
>> For more details and pictures, please contact me directly
>> marcellepe...@yahoo.com or call (607)229-9098.
>> Thank you,
>> Marcelle
>>
>> The following 16mm equipment for sale right now.
>> Best Offer considered on all items.
>>
>> •    Editing bench: Sturdy metal (60” w x 28” d x 34” h) with front
>> drawer, light box and power supply w/removable top metal shelf.  Good
>> condition. $80.
>>
>> •    16mm, 4-gang, Ediquip Hollywood synchronizer  (a couple of sound
>> heads, no connectors) good condition. $50
>>
>> •    Single-frame step motor for Bolex camera, Hurst, 120 rpm, 115 V, 60
>> Hz, button trigger on 16' extension. Like new. $300
>>
>> •    Editing Bin, with wheels in O.K. condition. $30
>>
>> •    Reels & cans, various sizes: 1-35mm, 14”; many daylight 100’ spools
>> & boxes; old 400’ & 100’ cans (free); 2” , 3” cores; 25' plastic and more.
>> Make offer.
>>
>> BOOKS: EXPERIMENTAL, FILM PRODUCTION, EDITING, LIGHTING, CINEMATOGRAPHY,
>> DIGITAL, VIDEO, HISTORY, THEORY & CRITICISM, WOMEN IN FILM.
>>
>> Within the next month, the following equipment will be offered for sale:
>>
>> •   Steenbeck flatbed, 4-plate, older model, works great, recently
>> repaired, gently runs film (picture and magnetic track; optical or magnetic
>> composite) at 24 fps or slower for analysis, easy to maintain, extra bulb,
>> and fuses.
>>
>> •    Magna- Sync Moviola winds.
>>
>> •    Zeiss Moviscop viewer, new bulbs and fuses, Works great.
>>
>> •   Rivas picture splicer,  black, straight cut, great condition.
>>
>>
>>
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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Adam Sekuler <ad...@nwfilmforum.org>
> To: Experimental Film Discussion List <framewo...@listserv.aol.com>
> Cc: Experimental Film Discussion List <frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com>
> Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 16:36:16 -0700
> Subject: [Frameworks] crowd sourced work?
> Strange question that maybe someone out there can help me with.
> I'm putting together a crowd sourced film and I'm trying to figure out the
> best way to receive the content.
> The work submitted will be in the form of video, audio and photographic
> content captured on cell phones and or tablets and I'll be accessing the
> content in a short turn around.
> The submissions will come from anyone in the general public during a
> single day.
> Has anybody tried anything like this yet?
> Do you have any suggestions on the best way to accomplish this?
>
> Many thanks in advance for your assistance!
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Adam Sekuler
>
>
>
>
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> From: Jack Sargeant <j...@jacktext.net>
> To: Experimental Film Discussion List <frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com>
> Cc:
> Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 13:04:00 +1000
> Subject: [Frameworks] screenings in Canada
> http://www.wndx.org/ai1ec_event/beat-cinema-2-beat-scene/?instance_id=
> to anybody in Winnipeg or commutable distance I'll be screening there next
> week. Full details at the link above, but needless to say if you're
> interested in beat cinema and want to watch movies and hear me talk it
> should be enjoyable.
> jack
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Jason Stauffacher <jasonstauffac...@gmail.com>
> To: Experimental Film Discussion List <frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com>
> Cc:
> Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 13:50:37 +0800
> Subject: [Frameworks] [Experimental Film Discussion List] Super8 B&W help
> *My brother and I want to direct and do some short films with Kodak's
> B&W.  We will transfer it to DVD and then to our laptops after we film on
> the Super8 cameras.  Is there a way to get sound onto it?  We cannot film
> sound, or is that way still optional?  I was told there is no longer Super8
> sound anymore.   I can put music on any file, but I am wondering how to
> make the actors have a voice with Super8 filming.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> -Jason*
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "jb.mabe" <jb.m...@gmail.com>
> To: Experimental Film Discussion List <frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com>
> Cc:
> Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 07:55:54 -0500
> Subject: [Frameworks] looking for two music films...
> Hi gang,
>
> I'm trying to track down two music films, both on 16mm...
>
> First, Chuck Statler's Devo film "In The Beginning Was The End: The
> Truth About De-Evolution." I contacted Mr. Statler and he doesn't lend
> out his print. He said I should contact Mutato Music, but I don't
> think they have a print either. Was this film ever in distribution?
>
> And, Cucumber Studio's animated short film for Tom Tom Club's "Genius
> of Love." Any distribution ideas other than Chicago Filmmakers?
>
> Best,
> Josh Mabe
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Jason Halprin <jihalp...@yahoo.com>
> To: Experimental Film Discussion List <frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com>
> Cc:
> Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 06:35:16 -0700 (PDT)
> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] [Experimental Film Discussion List] Super8 B&W
> help
> Jason,
>
> Long story short, Super 8 sound film has not been made for some time.
> There are some Super 8 cameras that can be synched with a Nagra or similar
> reorder, but that becomes a cumbersome process. If you want to shoot Super
> 8, you'll have to record the sound on a different system (such as a flash
> recorder), and you won't be able to maintain synch for too long. If you
> want to do this, utilize a clapboard or similar synch device, and keep
> accurate shot logs so that you'll have fewer organizational hassles in
> post-production. That being said, you can always adjust the timing of the
> image track in post production, and get it more or less right for shorter
> shots - just don't expect a 30-60 second take to work perfectly.
>
> There's also various ways to fake the synch (such as having people face
> away from the camera while speaking), rely heavily on reaction shots and
> cutaways, and use a minimum of dialogue. I'd suggest you test it out for a
> single roll (or less), and see if shooting dual system is worth it for what
> you have in mind.
>
> -Jason Halprin
>
>
>   ------------------------------
> *From:* Jason Stauffacher <jasonstauffac...@gmail.com>
> *To:* Experimental Film Discussion List <frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 20, 2012 1:50 AM
> *Subject:* [Frameworks] [Experimental Film Discussion List] Super8 B&W
> help
>
> *My brother and I want to direct and do some short films with Kodak's
> B&W.  We will transfer it to DVD and then to our laptops after we film on
> the Super8 cameras.  Is there a way to get sound onto it?  We cannot film
> sound, or is that way still optional?  I was told there is no longer Super8
> sound anymore.   I can put music on any file, but I am wondering how to
> make the actors have a voice with Super8 filming.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> -Jason*
>
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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Royce Marcus <roycemarcusfi...@gmail.com>
> To: Experimental Film Discussion List <frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com>
> Cc:
> Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 10:00:37 -0400
> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] [Experimental Film Discussion List] Super8 B&W
> help
> Jason, sadly there is no Super 8 sound film which is actively being
> produced, at least that I've found.  You would either have to buy a very
> expensive camera from Pro8mm with Crystal Sync sound or use another
> external sound recorder.  A word of caution with either of these methods
> (mostly the second).  For both methods you will have to shoot at 24FPS,
> which isn't terrible but the "true" Super8 look is done in 18FPS and if you
> don't have a more advanced Super8 camera, 18FPS might be your only option.
> Additionally, Super8 was always designed as a consumer product, so no
> matter what frame rate you shoot at, it won't be consistent.  I.e. 18FPS
> will always be about 18FPS with minor fluctuations because of how the film
> travels and is delivered through the camera.  Same with 24FPS.
>
> Believe me, I love Super8, but it's really not a reliable way to go for
> sound.  If you have access to a 16mm camera and external audio, that would
> probably be much easier.  Otherwise, I would consider creative ways to fake
> it on set with techniques that avoid the actors mouths during dialogue or
> other creative methods in post.  Just plan it out!
>
> Royce
>
> On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 1:50 AM, Jason Stauffacher <
> jasonstauffac...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> *My brother and I want to direct and do some short films with Kodak's
>> B&W.  We will transfer it to DVD and then to our laptops after we film on
>> the Super8 cameras.  Is there a way to get sound onto it?  We cannot film
>> sound, or is that way still optional?  I was told there is no longer Super8
>> sound anymore.   I can put music on any file, but I am wondering how to
>> make the actors have a voice with Super8 filming.
>>
>> Any ideas?
>>
>> -Jason*
>>
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>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: David Tetzlaff <djte...@gmail.com>
> To: Experimental Film Discussion List <frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com>
> Cc:
> Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 12:09:50 -0400
> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] [Experimental Film Discussion List] Super8 B&W
> help
> It's actually not that hard to sync up 'wild' sound to transferred film
> footage within a video editing program such as Final Cut or Premiere.
> First, make sure you do sync claps at the beginning and end of each shot.
> Then modify the audio duration and/or film duration to match one another.
> You'll be changing the film duration anyway if you shoot at 18fps. I doubt
> there will be significant drift within a shot if you get the beginning and
> end lined up right, but if there is any, you can tweak it with audio edits
> inside the clip.
>
> If you're going to wind up in video (e.g. DVD) the problem with shooting
> lip-synch on Super-8 isn't the sync, it's the noise of the camera. Normal
> Super 8 cameras aren't blimped, and will be quite audible if you're
> shooting a dialog scene for example. I don't have experience with the
> models that were designed for using sound-striped stock - I would assume
> they're more quiet, but by how much, I don't know.
>
> Of course, you can always go full Hollywood, use your live recording as a
> scratch track, create a homebrew ADR setup and post-dub the whole thing.
> (FWIW, I don't recommend that. Very hard to get results that either fit the
> lip movement or sound at all natural...)
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: flick harrison <fl...@flickharrison.com>
> To: Experimental Film Discussion List <frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com>
> Cc:
> Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 09:35:59 -0700
> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] crowd sourced work?
> Interesting question.
>
> 1. GETTING THE FILES
>
> Yousendit or Dropbox might be good ways to get the files, the size limits
> are better on dropbox.  But any files you get from other people add to your
> own quota so you'd have to be really organized to get everything happening
> without maybe confounding your senders.
>
> I would think a self-hosted blind-drop FTP server, i.e. a one-way web
> interface so they could send you raw files.  Never set one up but I've seen
> them.  In any case - if web interface is too hard to do then you have to
> expect the shooters to understand FTP.
>
> You could ask people to post full-quality versions on youtube and then rip
> the files with some sort of youtube downloading plugin.  This would be
> clunky and usually results in (BIG!) quality loss.
>
> Vimeo would work, since there's an option to leave the full-quality file
> as a download link for anyone who sees the video.  You can password-protect
> videos there so they aren't available to the general public.  But then
> folks would have to sign up for a vimeo account and understand how to get a
> reasonable-quality file on there (max 1 HD upload per week, 500Mb total
> files per week, thus more headaches).
>
> But, for instance, can shooters on an ipad really send you the
> full-quality master footage?  Or are they limited to BS options like "Share
> -> Youtube, Facebook, etc" which bypass the file system altogether?  It's
> the result of the War on General Purpose Computing.
>
> 2. USING THE FILES
>
> This is trickier - I've done BYO gigs with kids, where everyone and sundry
> had a different file wrapper and codec and frame rate and file size so on.
>  Premier or FCP should probably eat them all and crap out a movie but I did
> encounter the odd Chinese kid with an .mtv format or something no one had
> ever heard of except them.
>
> AND if they are sending the files, better hope they understand the file
> structure for stuff like AVCHD, and get them to send the whole "PRIVATE"
> folder and that kinda thing.  Etc etc.
>
> The deal is that even with good pre-production discussions between two
> people, surprises crop up - so sending out a call to the general public is
> asking for trouble.  But I'm interested in the same kinds of projects so
> please let me know how it develops!
>
> Good Luck!
>
> -Flick
>
>
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