interesting. avant garde,experimental,personal. I think ag filmmaking is 
personal filmmaking. films made for viewing by art, poetry and film lovers 
and/or people who are inquisitive and open to non traditional forms and/or 
subjects. films made by artists for the many reasons anyone makes art. 
that will endure. 

> On Nov 7, 2013, at 7:31 PM, Fred Camper <> wrote:
> Quoting Stashu Kybartas <>:
>> There is no avant-garde now.  The internet insures that NOTHING will stay 
>> avant - EVER.
> I tried to make this point pre-Internet, in my 1986 article "The End of 
> Avant-Garde Film" in the 20th anniversary issue of "Millennium Film Journal."
> By 1986, in my opinion, common usage was that an "experimental" or 
> "avant-garde" film was a film with certain features, such as scratching or 
> painting on film, a limited or abstracted narrative, non-linear editing, very 
> small cast and crew, and others -- some of these if not all of them. 
> Scratching on film was by then no longer "avant-garde," in the sense of new 
> or advanced, and the terms "experimental" and "avant-garde" has come to 
> denote a style of filmmaking. This is neither good nor bad, but one important 
> reason to understand it is that artists must realize that techniques already 
> used don't justify themselves; everything depends on the total work.
> Fred Camper
> Chicago
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