Thanks for the info, Steve. Interesting that it was made rather than found. To be truly found, must it have previously been lost? (and this is a digression, as I fully understand the request made in the original post.) My memory of "Ordinary Matter" is that the soundtrack "plays" like a found soundtrack - they obviously don't belong together in a conventional sense and there is tension in the way the sound and image aggressively hold each other off, like two football players in a stiff arm standoff, each demanding its own pace and space. There's a lot of that in Frampton's films, come to think of it, one might even call it "Surface Tension."
I have swapped soundtracks for many years - more "displaced" than found. Example is "Home Safe Badminton," two complete 16mm educationals shown one after the other, projector sound is off. First one is "Home Safe Home" (circa 1950) the second is "Badminton Fundamentals" (circa 1960). Running times are the same, with the soundtracks recorded on tape you listen to all of BF as you watch HSH, then vice versa. You learn a lot (do not leave that electrical cord dangling, do a full backswing for a smash) and it is entertaining, too. During the first half the soundtrack is definitely lost, it just does not belong, then it is completely found (in the wrong place, doh!!) during the second half. For some reason I have always thought that it is the soundtrack that has moved, but of course it could just as easily be said that the image has been moved, same difference. I am tempted to say that appropriation isn't what it used to be. Tom Whiteside From: FrameWorks [mailto:frameworks-boun...@jonasmekasfilms.com] On Behalf Of Steve Polta Sent: Monday, November 25, 2013 12:17 PM To: Experimental Film Discussion List Subject: [Frameworks] the Frampton film... ...to which Tom Whiteside refers is Ordinary Matter (Hapax Legomena V). The soundtrack indeed consists of a booming male voice reciting a Chinese language syllabary and is also double-system sound (i.e. sound on "tape;" film is projected at 16/18fps btw). I believe that this soundtrack was recorded by Frampton for this film and would likely not be considered "found sound." Steve Polta On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 5:38 AM, Tom Whiteside <tom.whites...@duke.edu<mailto:tom.whites...@duke.edu>> wrote: Which Frampton film uses some kind of a Chinese lectionary for soundtrack? Probably from the seventies. I believe it was double system, sound was on reel-to-reel tape. That was a found soundtrack. Tom Durham Cinematheque From: FrameWorks [mailto:frameworks-boun...@jonasmekasfilms.com<mailto:frameworks-boun...@jonasmekasfilms.com>] On Behalf Of Albert Alcoz Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2013 3:56 PM To: frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com<mailto:frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com> Subject: [Frameworks] Found Soundtrack Films Hi, Institutional Quality by George Landow was created from a found soundtrack, in this case a tape recorder about an instructional test. Does anyone know other examples that uses found soundtracks for experimental films, especially from the sixties and seventies? Thanks, Albert http://www.visionaryfilm.net/ _______________________________________________ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com<mailto:FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com> https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
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