Well, as Vertov argued, the whole process of film making is editorial from 
start to finish, but that's surely different from what we understand as 
montage, at least in Eisenstein's sense of the term?
 

 

 

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              The first Lumiere arguably has two instances of montage: the    
decision made about the points of time at which to start and stop    filming. 
And both seem carefully considered choices.
    
    Fred Camper
    Chicago
    
    
On 5/22/2014 5:41 PM, Francisco Torres      wrote:
    
    
      
Montage is used in  those films but only on the        sly.... ;)
      

        
        
On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 2:53 AM, <nicky.ham...@talktalk.net>          wrote:
          
A few films without                montage, or indeed any editing in the 
conventional                  sense: Lumiere films, All my                Life, 
Serene Velocity, Sidewalk Shuttle, Wavelength,                Central Region, 
Russian Ark,many                  films by James Benning, Malcolm LeGrice,      
            Peter Gidal....                
 
                  NIcky.
                
                
 
                
                
 
                
                
                  
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''Which                            principles do I have to bear in mind?''      
                    

                            
                          
One                              principle-Montage. 
                          
The                              stuff Cinema is made of.
                          
Because                              films ARE made of clashing frames.
                          

                            
                          
"If                              there is a God, it is a God of Montage''.
                          
David                              Cronenberg
                          

                            
                          
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYedfenQ_Mw
                          
                          

                            
                          
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHLMrbrAIiU
                            
                          

                            
                          
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXlzvvTHg7k
                            
                        
                        

                          
                          
                            On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 2:11 PM, Julianna           
                 Schley <julianna.sch...@gmail.com>                            
wrote:
                            
                              
I don't know where you                                live, but I know a great 
resource in                                Brooklyn is the public access 
channel.                                If you take an orientation and a class  
                              there (for under $100) you get to use             
                   their equipment. I imagine a lot of                          
      other cities have a similar set-up. That                                
way you can try out a few different                                types of 
cameras, although it's possible                                that they will 
be out of date. I                                personally don't care about 
that. For                                me, just holding a camera and seeing a 
                               frame really changed how I thought about         
                       shooting. Good luck!
                              

                                
                                
                                  
On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 4:42 PM,                                    Eleni 
Philippou <eleni_philip...@hotmail.com>                                    
wrote:
                                  
                                  
                                    
                                      
                                        
                                          
Dear all,
                                            
                                            
                                            I decided to start making my        
                                    own films. Which camera                     
                       shall I buy? Which                                       
     principles do I have to bear                                            in 
mind?
                                            Any advice welcome.
                                            
                                            
                                            Many many thanks,
                                            
                                            
                                            Eleni Filippou
                                          
                                        
                                        
                                      
                                    
                                    
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