Yes, of course; I should have written "editing." My only point is that long takes involve editing-like decisions.

Fred Camper
Chicago

On 5/23/2014 2:27 AM, nicky.ham...@talktalk.net wrote:
Well, as Vertov argued, the whole process of film making is editorial from start to finish, but that's surely different from what we understand as montage, at least in Eisenstein's sense of the term?



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The first Lumiere arguably has two instances of montage: the decision made about the points of time at which to start and stop filming. And both seem carefully considered choices.

Fred Camper
Chicago

On 5/22/2014 5:41 PM, Francisco Torres wrote:
Montage is used in  those films but only on the sly.... ;)


On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 2:53 AM, <nicky.ham...@talktalk.net <mailto:nicky.ham...@talktalk.net>> wrote:

    Afew films without montage, or indeed any editing in the
    conventional sense: Lumierefilms, All my Life, Serene Velocity,
    Sidewalk Shuttle, Wavelength, Central Region, Russian Ark,many
    films by James Benning, Malcolm LeGrice, Peter Gidal....

    NIcky.


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    ''Which principles do I have to bear in mind?''

    One principle-Montage.
    The stuff Cinema is made of.
    Because films ARE made of clashing frames.

    "If there is a God, it is a God of Montage''.
    David Cronenberg

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYedfenQ_Mw

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHLMrbrAIiU

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXlzvvTHg7k


    On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 2:11 PM, Julianna Schley
    <julianna.sch...@gmail.com <mailto:julianna.sch...@gmail.com>> wrote:

        I don't know where you live, but I know a great resource in
        Brooklyn is the public access channel. If you take an
        orientation and a class there (for under $100) you get to use
        their equipment. I imagine a lot of other cities have a
        similar set-up. That way you can try out a few different
        types of cameras, although it's possible that they will be
        out of date. I personally don't care about that. For me, just
        holding a camera and seeing a frame really changed how I
        thought about shooting. Good luck!


        On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 4:42 PM, Eleni Philippou
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            Dear all,


            I decided to start making my own films. Which camera
            shall I buy? Which principles do I have to bear in mind?
            Any advice welcome.


            Many many thanks,


            Eleni Filippou

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