Thanks Herb+Christian I've never seen the work and it looks quite strong. I'll followup at PFA and the with Michael when I get the time.
Stephen On Aug 15, 2014, at 5:00 AM, [email protected] wrote: Send FrameWorks mailing list submissions to [email protected] To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [email protected] You can reach the person managing the list at [email protected] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of FrameWorks digest..." Today's Topics: 1. SENSORY ETHNOGRAPHY IN 17TH CENTURY CATHEDRAL -- D.F MEXICO CITY (Curtis Tamm) 2. Re: Print Search (Herb Shellenberger) 3. Notice of important Millennium Film Workshop Members Meeting on August 20 (Vance Klass) 4. Re: cat films (Lauren Howes) 5. Re: cat films (Shumona Goel) 6. Re: Best quality 16mm film digitizing (Brecht Debackere) 7. Re: cat films (Anna Swanson) 8. Re: cat films (Ruth Hayes) 9. Re: cat films (matfleming76) 10. Re: cat films (Kelly Gallagher) 11. Re: cat films (Anderwald Grond) 12. Re: cat films (Steve Polta) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2014 08:56:52 -0500 From: Curtis Tamm <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: [Frameworks] SENSORY ETHNOGRAPHY IN 17TH CENTURY CATHEDRAL -- D.F MEXICO CITY Message-ID: <CA+hhEoJe1nAYESgR-YHoQXZXTGTooiZ1MTeW=n_wht_c4_b...@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" GREETINGS FROM MEXICO FRAMEWORKERS --- I WRITE TO LET THOSE IN D.F KNOW THAT I WILL BE SCREENING A NEW 'SENSORY ETHNOGRAPHIC' FILM SUPPORTED BY THE UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA AND THE SWEDISH MUSEUM OF NATURAL HISTORY, AT EX TERESA ARTE ACTUAL, CALLED "THE THING IS ALL AROUND ITSELF" (16mm, HD, 2014, HERMIONE SPRIGGS AND CURTIS TAMM). EX TERESA IS A 17TH CENTURY CATHEDRAL THAT HAS BEEN CONVERTED INTO A MUSEUM JUST OFF THE ZOCOLO. THE EVENT WILL BE POWERFUL, IMMERSIVE, AND FEATURE LIVE 8 CHANNEL SOUND DESIGN. EX TERESA ARTE ACTUAL AUGUST 19TH TUESDAY 7:30PM MORE INFORMATION HERE: http://exteresaarteactual.blogspot.mx/?zx=5ac5f71a0cd772a6 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/pipermail/frameworks/attachments/20140814/cf04c60b/attachment-0001.html> ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2014 14:48:47 +0000 From: Herb Shellenberger <[email protected]> To: Frame works <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Print Search Message-ID: <336c1a3e119c524da8617b8c6e1fa0fd230b0...@ihp-exchange.hq.ihphilly.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Stuart Comer presented Steven Arnold's The Liberation of Mannique Mechanique at the Tate in 2010, but on DVD. https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/secretcinema/conversations/topics/690 Arnold's feature Luminous Procuress was distributed by New Line in the 1970s on 16mm. This document states that the Walker Art Center and Pacific Film Archive "have begun" preservation on it. Worth checking into. http://www.fiafnet.org/pdf/AR2013/2013_Berkeley.pdf I was also going to suggest getting in touch with the Steven Arnold Archive, though I would be very (happily!) surprised if they had any prints available for loan. Their SD transfers seem to be of good quality. They no doubt approved the screening of Luminous Procuress that happened at the Spectacle microcinema in Brooklyn last month. Herb Shellenberger Programs Office Manager [cid:[email protected]] 3701 CHESTNUT STREET | PHILADELPHIA, PA 19104 phone: 215.895.6575 | fax: 215.895.6562 email: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> | web: www.ihousephilly.org<http://www.ihousephilly.org/> From: FrameWorks [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Christian Bruno Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2014 1:59 AM To: Frame works Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Print Search Hey Stephen, I once contacted Micheal Wiese about 2 years ago, also in search of Messages, Messages. He directed me to the Steven Arnold Archive (http://stevenarnoldarchive.com/), no doubt you already tried that. I can't remember how I found him, but likely it was through his book company---Michael Wiese Books (of Save The Cat fame). His email address is somewhere on his site (http://www.mwp.com/), so take a look. He said he didn't have prints, but it is worth an ask. 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On 2014-08-13 8:09 PM, "Ronald Gregg" <[email protected]> wrote: > Saul Bass' opening title sequence for Walk on the Wild Side > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jVRePj1Iq0 > > > On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 7:41 PM, Chuck Kleinhans <[email protected]> > wrote: >> The Walker is having their third Internet Cat Video Festival >> >> http://www.walkerart.org/calendar/2014/internet-cat-video-festival-2014?mc_ci >> d=70d62a9316&mc_eid=770c6fb304 >> >> Which reminds me of experimental cat films, like the Hammid and Deren Life of >> a Cat (remarkably politically correct: daddy cat is shown doing kitten care). >> What else could we shown in a Cat Film Fest? >> >> >> >> >> Chuck Kleinhans >> [email protected] >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> FrameWorks mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks > > > > _______________________________________________ FrameWorks mailing list > [email protected] > https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Ten films from the 5 hours of films about cats and by cats shown at the First International Cat Film Festival (INTERCAT '69) which took place at the Elgin Theatre, NYc, on December 20, 1969. Rental: $245.00 16mm Rental: $245.00 On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 1:20 AM, Lauren Howes <[email protected]> wrote: > “Cat Food” by Joyce Wieland. > > ________________________________________ > LAUREN HOWES // EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR > CANADIAN FILMMAKERS DISTRIBUTION CENTRE > SUITE 245-401 RICHMOND ST. WEST > TORONTO, ON M5V 3A8 > [email protected] // 416.588.0725 > www.cfmdc.org > > > P Before printing, think about the environment. > > > > On 2014-08-13 8:09 PM, "Ronald Gregg" <[email protected]> wrote: > > Saul Bass' opening title sequence for > *Walk on the Wild Side *http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jVRePj1Iq0 > > > On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 7:41 PM, Chuck Kleinhans < > [email protected]> wrote: > > The Walker is having their third Internet Cat Video Festival > > > http://www.walkerart.org/calendar/2014/internet-cat-video-festival-2014?mc_cid=70d62a9316&mc_eid=770c6fb304 > > Which reminds me of experimental cat films, like the Hammid and Deren Life > of a Cat (remarkably politically correct: daddy cat is shown doing kitten > care). 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Name: image.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 7948 bytes Desc: not available URL: <https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/pipermail/frameworks/attachments/20140815/bcbce4af/attachment-0001.jpg> ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2014 17:01:58 +0200 From: Brecht Debackere <[email protected]> To: Experimental Film Discussion List <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Best quality 16mm film digitizing Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Dennis Doros <[email protected]> wrote: > Lawrence, > > The first and foremost thing is that the Association of Moving Image > Archivists website has a brand-new Supplier Directory > <http://www.amianet.org/sites/all/files/Supplier%20Diretory%20-%202014.03.pdf> > that lists many of the resources anyone needs for the preservation of your > materials. It's being updated constantly. > > Secondly, you should have a plan for what you are doing. > > If you are thinking preservation, you have to do 2K or 4K scanning rather > than HD transfers. You should ask for copies of the digital DPX files in > both the raw scan and "fixed" scans if you are doing any timing or cleanup. > Then you should also have them deliver the final uncompressed or FinalCut > Pro files for your use. The files should be given to you on both hard drive > and LTO-6 tape (if you can get it -- if not, LTO5 would be fine.) They > should both be migrated every four or five years. For my hard drives, I > always buy a very large drive (usually 8TB to 12TB) for one or two films > since you will want a mirror raid on it. For extremely expensive projects, > I put them on two hard drives. Yes, it sound very OCD, but this is about > preservation and redundancy, not about expediency. > > As for a film at 18fps. You should first scan it at 24p and keep that raw > scan. If you are doing any dust and scratch removal, it has to also be done > at 24p and be kept. That will be your preservation master. Then, the lab > can create a 18fps umcompressed or FCP file and synch it to sound. > > I'm working with Jack Rizzo's Metro Post now and they are doing a very good > job. I've worked with ColorLab many times and I trust them implicitly as > well. It would also be a matter of doing your research and seeing what the > best transfer would be for your material. I always ask what scanners and > software they will be using and read the recent papers that are coming out > of the new research on scanners, etc. > > > Best regards, > Dennis Doros > Milestone Film & Video > PO Box 128 / Harrington Park, NJ 07640 > Phone: 201-767-3117 / Fax: 201-767-3035 / Email: [email protected] > > Visit our main website! www.milestonefilms.com > Visit our new websites! www.mspresents.com, www.portraitofjason.com, > www.shirleyclarkefilms.com, > To see or download our 2014 Video Catalog, click here > <http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0150/7896/files/2014MilestoneVideoCatalog.pdf?75> > ! > > > Support "Milestone Film" on Facebook > <http://www.facebook.com/pages/Milestone-Film/22348485426> and Twitter > <https://twitter.com/#!/MilestoneFilms>! > > > See the website: Association of Moving Image Archivists > <http://www.amianet.org/> and like them on Facebook > <http://www.facebook.com/pages/Association-of-Moving-Image-Archivists/86854559717> ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2014 15:30:40 -0700 From: Anna Swanson <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Frameworks] cat films Message-ID: <camaqum7nnszmyx5vrtedeuzeu53kpivj4zevvdkkzx0e88c...@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Chuck, so glad you are asking this question. I tried to get my "feline film" *focusing* to play in the Walker Cat Video Film Festival just to shake things up and fuck with people by forcing them to be more contemplative than they ever expect to be, but alas, it was not programmed. Everyone else can watch it here though! https://vimeo.com/82347369 Best, Anna -- Anna Swanson 360.970.6579 cargocollective.com/annaswanson *experimental scholarly creative nonfiction* On 8/13/14 6:41 PM, "Chuck Kleinhans" <[email protected]> wrote: > The Walker is having their third Internet Cat Video > Festival http://www.walkerart.org/calendar/2014/internet-cat-video-festival-2 > 014?mc_cid=70d62a9316&mc_eid=770c6fb304 Which reminds me of experimental cat > films, like the Hammid and Deren Life of a Cat (remarkably politically > correct: daddy cat is shown doing kitten care). What else could we shown in a > Cat Film Fest? 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On 2014-08-13 8:09 PM, "Ronald Gregg" <[email protected]> wrote: Saul Bass' opening title sequence for Walk on the Wild Side http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jVRePj1Iq0 On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 7:41 PM, Chuck Kleinhans <[email protected]> wrote: The Walker is having their third Internet Cat Video Festival http://www.walkerart.org/calendar/2014/internet-cat-video-festival-2014?mc_cid=70d62a9316&mc_eid=770c6fb304 Which reminds me of experimental cat films, like the Hammid and Deren Life of a Cat (remarkably politically correct: daddy cat is shown doing kitten care). What else could we shown in a Cat Film Fest? Chuck Kleinhans [email protected] _______________________________________________ FrameWorks mailing list [email protected] https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks _______________________________________________ FrameWorks mailing list [email protected]https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/pipermail/frameworks/attachments/20140815/a7c2ced6/attachment-0001.html> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Sad I know. Cat films that come to mind... *by Brakhage:* *Night Cats *(or is it *Nightcats*) *Cat of the Worm's Green Realm* *Max* (probably there are others) *Luther Price: **Kittens Grow Up* Steve Polta On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 5:04 PM, Patrick Friel <[email protected]> wrote: > In my one-month stint as "Interim Program Director" at Chicago Filmmakers > earlier this summer, I programmed the INTERCAT '69 program for September. > > http://chicagofilmmakers.org/cf/content/intercat-69-part-1 > > 5 hours of 16mm cat films from the 1940s-60s. Available from Film-makers' > Coop. > > Last month, South Side Projections here in Chicago presented a 16mm cat > screening, and last year SSP and CF co-presented a 16mm cat screening. > > pf > > > On 8/13/14 6:41 PM, "Chuck Kleinhans" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> The Walker is having their third Internet Cat Video >> Festival > > http://www.walkerart.org/calendar/2014/internet-cat-video-festival-2 >> 014?mc_cid=70d62a9316&mc_eid=770c6fb304 > > Which reminds me of experimental cat >> films, like the Hammid and Deren Life of a Cat (remarkably politically >> correct: daddy cat is shown doing kitten care). 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