Not to string this out at the expense of Frameworks attention, but I think I was arguing that 'the system' is made by-of individual engineers and 'the outcome' might be improved -- to the extent that it can be controlled at this early point -- by their deep listening. At the very least we'll get better auditory cues on Android phones eh.
But I think we're in pretty close agreement. On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 10:48 AM, Francisco Torres <[email protected]> wrote: > And I want to clarify that I do not want my opinions to be seen as an > attack on P Oliveros, to me her work stands as good as it always has been, > it is just that things like this speak tons about how the arts work today. > > 2014-10-16 10:44 GMT-04:00 Francisco Torres <[email protected]>: > > Now not kidding, Deep listening for Corporations seminars is another >> example of how, no matter how radical ideas can be, they can end up being >> recuperated by The System and we may end up working for The Man. But who am >> I to talk, I used to edit commercials for a living... Oh well. >> >> 2014-10-16 10:36 GMT-04:00 Francisco Torres <[email protected]>: >> >> and i was just kidding, mis-quoting apocalypse now.... ;) >>> >>> 2014-10-16 10:30 GMT-04:00 Al Matthews <[email protected]>: >>> >>> > Well, you see, Marc, in this world of late capitalism, things get >>>> confused out there. >>>> >>>> I'm not arguing really, I just felt I should disagree. >>>> >>>> On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 10:21 AM, Francisco Torres < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Well, you see, Marc, in this world of late capitalism, things get >>>>> confused out there. Power, ideals, the old morality, and practical >>>>> economic >>>>> necessity. But out there with these natives, it must be a temptation to be >>>>> God. Because there's a conflict in every human heart, between the rational >>>>> and irrational, between good and evil. And good does not always triumph. >>>>> Sometimes, the dark side overcomes what Lincoln called the better angels >>>>> of >>>>> our nature. >>>>> >>>>> 2014-10-16 10:14 GMT-04:00 Francisco Torres <[email protected]>: >>>>> >>>>> ''Synchronize predatory algorithms!' >>>>>> ''For great justice, launch Zig fighters!'' >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> 2014-10-16 4:22 GMT-04:00 Al Matthews <[email protected]>: >>>>>> >>>>>> Yes, unironic. Techno-utopian. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Meanwhile, the bullet or the bit, sir. >>>>>>> On Oct 15, 2014 11:07 PM, "Marc Couroux" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Whoa! Amazing! And without the slightest bit of irony to boot! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The neo-avant-garde, otherwise known as the >>>>>>>> military-industrial-entertainment complex, has got your number. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Synchronize predatory algorithms! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 4:19 PM, Francisco Torres < >>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ''Deep Listening fits in perfectly to the zeitgeist of corporate >>>>>>>>> wellness and mindfulness initiatives...'' >>>>>>>>> Guess so. Oh well. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 2014-10-15 15:07 GMT-04:00 Michele Smith <[email protected]>: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> You might try Western Front in Vancouver, Canada. They have >>>>>>>>>> hosted deep listening workshops in the past. >>>>>>>>>> http://front.bc.ca/new-music/ >>>>>>>>>> On Oct 15, 2014, at 11:55 AM, Angela Holm <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hello Frameworkers, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Does anyone have a suggestion of where to show a short film (10 >>>>>>>>>> mins) that is an experimental documentary about a Deep Listening >>>>>>>>>> group, *Deep >>>>>>>>>> Listening Incorporated*, whose goal is to bring Pauline >>>>>>>>>> Oliveros' Deep Listening Practice into the corporate workplace? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Deep Listening fits in perfectly to the zeitgeist of corporate >>>>>>>>>> wellness and mindfulness initiatives and is a great way to bring a >>>>>>>>>> higher >>>>>>>>>> consciousness to the 9 to 5 grind. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Festivals or venues that have a meditation or mindfulness focus, >>>>>>>>>> or an interest in Pauline Oliveros and experimental music? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The video is all created from recorded video conferencing >>>>>>>>>> meetings with Pauline and the group of 5 women who all work in the >>>>>>>>>> corporate field (3 of which work at Google). >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Many thanks for any thoughts or ideas! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Cheers. >>>>>>>>>> Angie Holm >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> FrameWorks mailing list >>>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>>> https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> FrameWorks mailing list >>>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>>> https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> FrameWorks mailing list >>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>> https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> FrameWorks mailing list >>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>> https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> FrameWorks mailing list >>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>> https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> FrameWorks mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> FrameWorks mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks >>>> >>>> >>> >> > > _______________________________________________ > FrameWorks mailing list > [email protected] > https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks > >
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