If you want to take a group of curious, excited young artists and basically
make them want to kill themselves, by all means, show them "Wavelength."  I
call shenanigans on equating "essential" with mid-century high modernism
which is but one of many 'major traditions.'  Another, more engaging legacy
might be the fascinating intersections between art history, critical
theory, politics and popular culture that coalesces and build in the '90-s
and early 00s, exemplified in different but totally exciting and unique
ways by:

"It Wasn't Love" - Sadie Benning
"November" - Hito Steyerl
"A Little Death" - Sam Taylor-Wood

So much richness here!  Relationships between realism and (high/post)
modernism; identity/queer performance pre-youtube/selfie era; the explosion
of new tech in the 90s on and their formal implications; post-9/11
everything; the 'Celebrity-artist' career trajectory of STW, etc., etc,
etc....


Sasha



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>    1. Re: What are the 3 Essential Films that you would show
>       Artists on their first foray into the Moving Image Realm ?
>       (Jorge Lorenzo Flores Garza)
>    2. Re: What are the 3 Essential Films that you would show
>       Artists on their first foray into the Moving Image Realm ?
>       (Dennis Doros)
>    3. animation cut out (jaime cleeland)
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>    5. Re: What are the 3 Essential Films that you would show
>       Artists on their first foray into the Moving Image Realm ?
>       (Elizabeth McMahon)
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> From: Jorge Lorenzo Flores Garza <jorgelore...@hotmail.com>
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> Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2015 20:38:25 +0000
> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] What are the 3 Essential Films that you would
> show Artists on their first foray into the Moving Image Realm ?
> I would certainly add Marie Menken to this names.  It is so important
> nowadays in the world of selfies and Go-Pro footage we find in the web.
>
> Jorge L.
>
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> I AM a feminist, and
> here are three essential films, that answer the question"
>
> 'What are the 3 Essential Films that you would show Artists on their
>> first foray into the Moving Image Realm ?'
>>
>> Maya Deren  *Meshes of the Afternoon*
> *Mary Ellen ButePolka Graph*
>
> *Shirley Clarke Bridges Go-Round*
> Owen's iphone
>
>
> On Mar 28, 2015, at 9:01 AM, Cari Machet <carimac...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> no no only white men make important work
>
> why is a very old work of a woman the only woman filmmaker being hailed
> here
>
> peggy ahwesh anyone? https://vimeo.com/user2889626
>
> and there are tons of euro ones fuck do we need a comprehensive list of
> woman filmmakers posted somewhere on the net to point to when this shit
> happens? wikipedia?
>
> i am no feminist but this seems really bad
>
> On Sat, Mar 28, 2015 at 1:10 PM, Kim Knowles <
> kim.know...@edfilmfest.org.uk> wrote:
>
>>  The problem with this list, as is often the case, is that women
>> filmmakers are written out of the 'canon'. Please include Maya Deren! (as
>> per Vicky Smith's post)
>>  ------------------------------
>> *From:* FrameWorks <frameworks-boun...@jonasmekasfilms.com> on behalf of
>> Gene Youngblood <ato...@comcast.net>
>> *Sent:* Friday, March 27, 2015 6:56 PM
>> *To:* Frameworks Listserv
>> *Subject:* Re: [Frameworks] What are the 3 Essential Films that you
>> would show Artists on their first foray into the Moving Image Realm ?
>>
>>  Three is a severe limitation, but if you insist, one way to get at it
>> is to start not with films but with major traditions since mid-century and
>> select exemplary works within them. So for example abstract (Brakhage),
>> minimalist (Warhol, Wavelength), essayistic (Marker, Farocki, Forgacs). I
>> include Brakhage’s lens-captured films in the problematic “abstract."
>>
>>
>>
>>  On Mar 27, 2015, at 11:43 AM, Donal OCeilleachair <donalo...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>  Dear Frameworkers:
>>
>>  I am working on a new film project with the Ealaíontóirí Mhuscraí
>> (that's Irish for the Muskerry Region Artists Group)
>>
>>  Part of the project will involve film / video making workshops where I
>> will show
>> them works from experimental film, creative documentary and artists'
>> moving image works
>> as a point of reference and inspiration for their own initial explorations
>> into the realm of the moving image
>>
>>  I am compiling a short-list of 'Essential' works to show them during
>> these workshops
>> and I would appreciate responses to the question:
>> 'What are the 3 Essential Films that you would show Artists
>> on their first foray into the Moving Image Realm ?'
>>
>>  I look forward to hearing any suggestions
>>
>>  Le míle buíochas (with many thanks)
>>  --
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> From: Dennis Doros <milefi...@gmail.com>
> To: Experimental Film Discussion List <frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com>
> Cc:
> Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2015 17:26:49 -0400
> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] What are the 3 Essential Films that you would
> show Artists on their first foray into the Moving Image Realm ?
> There are no three possible to represent the entire world of experimental
> film.
>
> But for women, you might want to start with Suspense by Lois Weber and
> Philip Smalley. It's extremely experimental for the year it was made.
>
> And with Shirley Clarke, having seen all of them now about two dozen times
> each over the past six years, I know that BRIDGES-GO-ROUND is everybody's
> favorite but I would say MOMENT IN LOVE is mine. Seeing her outtakes and
> notebooks, it's the one she worked the hardest to create and I love the
> work of choreographer Anna Sokolow. Also, we are just starting to show D.
> A. Pennebaker and Shirley Clarke's BRUSSELS LOOP films (there were also
> four or five other filmmakers involved) and they are really incredible up
> on the screen.
>
> But especially for artists, it's almost impossible not to include the best
> of experimental film without my favorite, which is BEGONE DULL CARE by
> Norman McLaren (and Evelyn Lambert) and it's tough to show him without the
> best of Len Lye.
>
> Also in mind with artists, and for more collaborations between man and a
> woman, you can't really go wrong with Alexeieff and Parker pin animation.
>
>
> Best regards,
> Dennis Doros
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> On Fri, Mar 27, 2015 at 1:43 PM, Donal OCeilleachair <donalo...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Dear Frameworkers:
>>
>> I am working on a new film project with the Ealaíontóirí Mhuscraí
>> (that's Irish for the Muskerry Region Artists Group)
>>
>> Part of the project will involve film / video making workshops where I
>> will show
>> them works from experimental film, creative documentary and artists'
>> moving image works
>> as a point of reference and inspiration for their own initial explorations
>> into the realm of the moving image
>>
>> I am compiling a short-list of 'Essential' works to show them during
>> these workshops
>> and I would appreciate responses to the question:
>> 'What are the 3 Essential Films that you would show Artists
>> on their first foray into the Moving Image Realm ?'
>>
>> I look forward to hearing any suggestions
>>
>> Le míle buíochas (with many thanks)
>> --
>> Dónal Ó'Céilleachair
>> www.anupictures.com
>>
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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: jaime cleeland <ethnom...@yahoo.co.uk>
> To: "frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com" <frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com>
> Cc:
> Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2015 21:44:10 +0000 (UTC)
> Subject: [Frameworks] animation cut out
> you can download
> https://archive.org/details/ZombieBangor
>
> Jaime
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: nicky.ham...@talktalk.net
> To: frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com
> Cc:
> Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2015 17:49:43 -0400
> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Seeking source for this quote:
>  Jean Renoir said the same thing in different words in 1961 here:
> http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=jean+renoir+parle+de+son+art
>
> Nicky.
>
>
>  -----Original Message-----
> From: Ken Paul Rosenthal <kenpaulrosent...@hotmail.com>
> To: Frameworks Postings <frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com>
> Sent: Sat, 28 Mar 2015 18:21
> Subject: [Frameworks] Seeking source for this quote:
>
>  “The closer movies come to representing reality, the worse they fail at
> representing the world.”
>
> I think it's by Alexander Kluge, but not certain.
>
> Thanks! Ken
>
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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Elizabeth McMahon <elizmcma...@gmail.com>
> To: Experimental Film Discussion List <frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com>
> Cc:
> Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2015 18:29:04 -0400
> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] What are the 3 Essential Films that you would
> show Artists on their first foray into the Moving Image Realm ?
> RIP Cecile Starr. She championed so many experimental filmmakers,
> especially those who were women, and yes, it, gender, it is an important
> distinction. Few would know about Mary Ellen Bute (and Ted Nemeth), or
> (Alexander Alexeieff and) Claire Parker (or Starr and her husband, recently
> newly widowed husband, partner is celluloid crime Aram Boyajian) who, without
> her intense and incisive scholarship, advocacy, and distribution of
> experimental, avant garde, and animation of each type, we would all be so
> diminished in our understanding of film history.  Dennis is right about
> McClaren as so brilliant as to be included in the top of essentials, but I
> won't play this silly 3 films limit nonsense. All you need is the
> filmography from Anthology Film Archives ongoing, infamous "Essential
> CInema" series, a stalwart primer in basic film knowledge, to know what to
> program for your students or friends. Gary Handman, nee of UCLA, happily
> retired albeit available if you seek him out, is a librarian after just
> about everyone's heart, his syllabi in film studies over the years he
> worked and taught are essential, too, if what to see and know about in film
> history and studies. Perfect distillations with no BS.
>
> But, yeah, for each of the 3 chosen, I would program McLaren. "Neigbours"
> and "Spook Sport" are my two faves. Geez, Oskar Fischinger is my favorite,
> anything just anything, and good golly, Lotte Reineger, anyone? See, I
> succumbed and fell in to this nonsense. This is just absurd.
>
> Elizabeth
>
> On Sat, Mar 28, 2015 at 5:26 PM, Dennis Doros <milefi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> There are no three possible to represent the entire world of experimental
>> film.
>>
>> But for women, you might want to start with Suspense by Lois Weber and
>> Philip Smalley. It's extremely experimental for the year it was made.
>>
>> And with Shirley Clarke, having seen all of them now about two dozen
>> times each over the past six years, I know that BRIDGES-GO-ROUND is
>> everybody's favorite but I would say MOMENT IN LOVE is mine. Seeing her
>> outtakes and notebooks, it's the one she worked the hardest to create and I
>> love the work of choreographer Anna Sokolow. Also, we are just starting to
>> show D. A. Pennebaker and Shirley Clarke's BRUSSELS LOOP films (there were
>> also four or five other filmmakers involved) and they are really incredible
>> up on the screen.
>>
>> But especially for artists, it's almost impossible not to include the
>> best of experimental film without my favorite, which is BEGONE DULL CARE by
>> Norman McLaren (and Evelyn Lambert) and it's tough to show him without the
>> best of Len Lye.
>>
>> Also in mind with artists, and for more collaborations between man and a
>> woman, you can't really go wrong with Alexeieff and Parker pin animation.
>>
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Dennis Doros
>> Milestone Film & Video
>> PO Box 128 / Harrington Park, NJ 07640
>> Phone: 201-767-3117 / Fax: 201-767-3035 / Email: milefi...@gmail.com
>>
>> Visit our main website!  www.milestonefilms.com
>> Visit our new websites!  www.mspresents.com, www.portraitofjason.com,
>> www.shirleyclarkefilms.com,
>> To see or download our 2014 Video Catalog, click here
>> <http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0150/7896/files/2014MilestoneVideoCatalog.pdf?75>
>> !
>>
>>
>> Support "Milestone Film" on Facebook
>> <http://www.facebook.com/pages/Milestone-Film/22348485426> and Twitter
>> <https://twitter.com/#!/MilestoneFilms>!
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 27, 2015 at 1:43 PM, Donal OCeilleachair <donalo...@gmail.com
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Frameworkers:
>>>
>>> I am working on a new film project with the Ealaíontóirí Mhuscraí
>>> (that's Irish for the Muskerry Region Artists Group)
>>>
>>> Part of the project will involve film / video making workshops where I
>>> will show
>>> them works from experimental film, creative documentary and artists'
>>> moving image works
>>> as a point of reference and inspiration for their own initial
>>> explorations
>>> into the realm of the moving image
>>>
>>> I am compiling a short-list of 'Essential' works to show them during
>>> these workshops
>>> and I would appreciate responses to the question:
>>> 'What are the 3 Essential Films that you would show Artists
>>> on their first foray into the Moving Image Realm ?'
>>>
>>> I look forward to hearing any suggestions
>>>
>>> Le míle buíochas (with many thanks)
>>> --
>>> Dónal Ó'Céilleachair
>>> www.anupictures.com
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> FrameWorks mailing list
>>> FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com
>>> https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
>>>
>>>
>>
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