Hi Amanda! Good luck in Rochester tonight! (I remember when you posted asking for films that included car crashes.)
Bernie On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 7:22 PM, Amanda Christie < ama...@amandadawnchristie.ca> wrote: > I for one appreciated the poetic touch... > > > I believe in the flowers that germinate and bloom from dark places. > There is never just one. > Dark soil is fertile ground. > The crocus never blooms unless it has been frozen in the winter and kept > in the dark underground and hidden from light... > > crocuses bloom every spring... > it's not the same flowers, but it is the same soil. > I believe in the flowers that geminate and bloom from dark places. > > > > > > > > On 2015-10-02, at 9:16 PM, David Baker wrote: > > Your the boss Elizabeth. > No poetry intended just the flawed way I write. > Thanks for you help, > lesson learned. > > One thing though, please be certain I need no good will from you > nor was I trying to garner any from anyone else. > I just was trying to find a form that fit. > You win some you lose some. > > DB > > > > > On Oct 2, 2015, at 7:42 PM, Elizabeth McMahon wrote: > > You had already said more than plenty. > > Your cryptic "poem" is such a distraction for a general listserv. Send > stuff like this to the intended party and leave the public out of it. It is > just embarrassing, and garners you no good will. > > Elizabeth McMahon > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 7:26 PM, David Baker <dbak...@hvc.rr.com> wrote: > >> Jay, >> >> Rare flowers that germinated in the dark >> in that moldy old place >> will not come again. >> We will never be as free to play with all the potentialities >> of projected light as we were there then. >> Still it must go on. >> >> "Darkness cannot drive out darkness, >> only light can do that." >> >> -Martin Luther KIng Jr. >> >> I will say no more on the subject. >> >> David >> >> >> On Oct 2, 2015, at 11:54 AM, Jay Hudson wrote: >> >> To Sasha, >> >> Your words are inappropriate, offensive, and abusive. I will not >> tolerate it, and I demand that it stop. If this type of conduct is against >> framework's terms of use, I ask Pip to remove Sasha from the list if this >> continues. I have moved on and hold animosity towards no one. There was >> no justification to bring me into it. >> >> To David, >> >> I think it is better to lower the tone on this because I think you are >> speaking from the heart and with good intentions. It is better if you >> consider that the situation with the Millennium followed a very common and >> recognizable patterns in non-profits. I made my decisions based on >> extensive research and speaking with non-profit experts, attorneys, and >> other professionals. Every person that I spoke with was extremely direct >> and unambiguous in saying that there was a serious problem that had to be >> addressed immediately. A few even said that there was no point in trying >> to correct it. I did what I thought was best and responsible. >> >> Those of use working at MFW inherited a situation where the organization >> was more than $40K in debt with the landlord. Howard basically dropped out >> of sight when he got sick and I had to step in to put out fires with the >> landlord. When the archive thing was going on, MFW was trying to >> negotiate a new lease. We were being served with papers. Almost >> everything in the way that MFW functioned was so dependent on one >> individual, that there were almost no established patterns to run things. >> Naturally when he was not doing so, things fall apart. MFW was failing >> what is called the risk assessment test, where an organization can not >> function without a certain individual. This is unhealthy to an >> organization, plus it makes it much more difficult to get funding. >> >> I prefer that this be the last of this thread of this communication. >> What happened, happened. These issues have no pertinence to today's >> events. There is no sense in unproductively dwelling on events that are >> unresolvable. No one can be completely objective in this. >> >> It is much better to think about the current MFW for what it is. Times >> and conditions have changed. It will not be the old MFW, but I do think >> that it has an important role to play. Additionally, I wish people >> wouldn't think so much about the MILLENNIUM, but more about what their own >> needs are as filmmakers and what gaps exist in today's current situation >> that MFW can fill. I am optimistic about the current MFW and have nothing >> but full support and appreciation for those who are working hard or >> providing support. I would hope that you and others who have negative >> opinions would reconsider, be open minded, and be involved. If not, that's >> ok too, but I do not want to see every posting regarding MFW to be met with >> this kind of communication. >> >> Jay >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 10:02 PM, David Baker <dbak...@hvc.rr.com> wrote: >> >>> Jay, >>> >>> Because I, along with Margot Niederland and Howard helped Lili White >>> to organize and move the vast archives to a safe warehouse >>> I know firsthand how perilous that moment was. >>> There was a porousness and scariness at Millennium then which I hope >>> never to encounter again. >>> It was like NIGHT OF THE LIVING DEAD >>> (Romero 1968 black and white version). >>> We had to work with the utmost speed and efficiency for fear >>> all would be lost in one scenario or another. >>> Again I will say it is my deeply considered opinion that had Lili not >>> initiated action >>> at the moment she did the fate of the archives would have been very >>> different. >>> There was no question amongst those working to preserve this material >>> of the stakes involved. We were simply not willing to leave it in your >>> hands. >>> Your relentless assassination of Howard's character was common knowledge. >>> >>> Because I spent time with Howard until his last month >>> I know the uncommon grace with which he worked with everyone connected >>> to the Millennium >>> after he was deposed >>> even when shut out of important channels of communication. >>> I know he was absolutely devoted to keeping the Millennium going. >>> I also know that he regarded you as I do as someone >>> who consistently hits below the belt. >>> >>> Criticism I have for the current organization pales >>> before that which I reserve for you. >>> >>> You will live in infamy in the annals of the Millennium Film Workshop. >>> You hit Howard when he was down (health crisis / in the hospital). >>> You took the Millennium from a righteous threadbare struggling cultural >>> organization >>> to an obscenely chaotic mess that accomplished nothing during your >>> regime but the humiliation of Howard >>> and the dissolution and loss of the space on Fourth Street. >>> It was you the full board finally had no choice but to remove (in >>> ignomy). >>> >>> It pains me to be so blunt. >>> You must understand that morally I feel the need to push past >>> the complicated smoke screen of words you are so adept at conjuring >>> and testify as truthfully as I can to what I witnessed. >>> >>> David >>> >>> >>> On Oct 1, 2015, at 4:27 PM, Jay Hudson wrote: >>> >>> According to New York State law, in a membership nonprofit, the board >>> has the right to add or remove board members at will, unless there is >>> anything in the bylaws or the corporate charter that states otherwise. >>> Even in that case, if there is a justifiable reason, like proven >>> embezzlement, or something like that, the board probably could get rid of >>> the offending board member. There is nothing wrong in the appointment of >>> board members, with members approval or not. >>> >>> According to MFW bylaws, the president can call for an election at any >>> time for a special purpose at their discretion. Stephanie Wuertz could >>> have made that decision at time. I am not criticizing her because of >>> Millennium's extenuating circumstances. I also don't think that it is fair >>> nor appropriate to bag on George, Lili, or the rest of the current board >>> either. >>> >>> There has been a lot of stuff going on, but as far as I know, the board >>> is working on getting the bylaws together, etc., so that when the time >>> comes, the meeting will be able to go on smoothly. I have trust in the >>> current board, and would prefer that they can have the space to do their >>> job. If one has concerns, it is much better that they contact board >>> members personally, rather than through public forums. >>> >>> David Baker's criticisms about the movement to reform MFW was predicated >>> on "negating howard" and that there was no interest in the archive and >>> completely false and oversimplified. MFW had been in decline for many >>> years. The problems were not personal but structural. The NYSCA grant >>> went from $30,000 to $12,000, to $8,000. There were considerable debts to >>> the landlord, who were about to pull the plug. NEA stopped funding MFW. >>> >>> When I spoke to the funders, they both said that MFW was suffering from >>> severe and obvious "founder's syndrome," where one individual dominates the >>> organization, and can not distinguish between their own affairs and the >>> affairs of the organization. MFW was in danger of imminent collapse. If >>> nobody had stepped in the following would have happened: the landlord >>> would have pulled the plug, the archive would have been hastily sold, the >>> landlord would get that money, the equipment would have gathered by >>> vultures, etc. It was in the best interest of all parties that something >>> was done. >>> >>> Regarding the finances, all of that information should be available. As >>> for myself, the "undocumented income", that Sasha describes totals $22K, >>> which includes 3K of debts from my works as a monitor, or 19K, basically >>> 10K a year. I can document that I worked an average of 15, 16 hour days >>> for months on end, including thirty six hours clearing stuff from the >>> theater and putting it in a dumpster. I worked my ass off well past the >>> point of exhaustion and payed and significant personal price for it. If >>> anyone has a problem with that, tough shit. I have no complaints about it, >>> nor any animosity towards anyone, but I am not going to take shit for it >>> either. >>> >>> I have been away from MFW for two years and have moved on. As tough as >>> it was, it was a great experience for me. I was thankful to have the >>> opportunity. I also am supportive of the current board. I think that >>> people should not think about how MFW was or how MFW should be, but how MFW >>> is, what MFW can do and what they themselves can do to contribute. If >>> people want to be stuck on negative shit from the past, that is their >>> problem, not mine. If people don't like the "now" MFW, they don't have to >>> participate. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 1:41 PM, Francisco Torres <fjtorre...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I would like to bring something up may seem harsh to most people on >>>> this discussion- Why not close the place for good already? After all these >>>> years it seems like the only sensible thing to do. As of ''As if it >>>> was our last day'' it seems that day is long past for the MFW. Maybe it was >>>> the day they closed shop at 4th street. Only the journal will remain as >>>> testimony of its greatness. And our memories. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> 2015-09-30 12:26 GMT-04:00 David Baker <dbak...@hvc.rr.com>: >>>> >>>>> Dear Sasha, >>>>> >>>>> For all those who enter the orbit of this strange institution >>>>> there are endless irreconcilable ironies to untangle. >>>>> >>>>> There is considerable mystery in how Howard Guttenplan was able to >>>>> preside despotically for forty years >>>>> without adherence to any of the precepts set forth in the bylaws, >>>>> simultaneously acting single handedly as steward to a cultural milieu >>>>> of such importance >>>>> that MoMA would proffer eighty five thousand dollars >>>>> (a number I believe was low for the staggering trove therein) >>>>> to obtain the archives. >>>>> >>>>> Lili White as much as she may vex >>>>> (I have no appreciation for gender biased curation whatever the >>>>> rationale) >>>>> decisively stepped up to lead a tiny group of people in order to >>>>> preserve the >>>>> Millennium Film Workshop Archives at a moment of almost unimaginable >>>>> disorder and chaos. >>>>> Were she not to have acted with such forceful authority this treasure >>>>> could easily have >>>>> been made to disappear by an ensuing political regime determined to >>>>> negate Howard's >>>>> achievement. >>>>> >>>>> As ironies go, one of the greatest for me to negotiate >>>>> has been observing my mentor Ken Jacobs's recent involvement with the >>>>> Millennium, >>>>> serving as great Oz behind >>>>> an obfuscating curtain in successive post-Howard "democratic" >>>>> political regimes >>>>> each of which eschewed and expunged the monthly open screenings >>>>> that were an entry portal of the most democratic kind. >>>>> The irony being that it was precisely the open screening format >>>>> that gave Ken his start as a maker. >>>>> Things blossom in that sort of environment that cannot occur elsewhere. >>>>> One Friday on Fourth Street I remember the rare paperback book >>>>> specialist and great single frame advance >>>>> practitioner Chris Eckhoff a.k.a. Mr. E speaking about the projection >>>>> screen, he asked >>>>> "What if residue from all the films that have ever been projected on >>>>> that screen >>>>> are still there in some way?". >>>>> Thereafter I treated that particular projection surface >>>>> as a secret sacred palimpsest. >>>>> When Millennium collapsed and the screen came down, >>>>> the ghosts were gone. >>>>> The place was useless to us. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Cronyism and concomitant kickbacks do not make a cultural milieu of >>>>> consequence. >>>>> >>>>> Singular courage and passion of the intensity you demonstrate does! >>>>> >>>>> As artists it is our mandate to be fearless, to find a way, to make it >>>>> happen. >>>>> >>>>> As if it was our last day. >>>>> >>>>> David >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sep 30, 2015, at 12:16 AM, Sasha Janerus wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Thank you Dr. Walley. Thank you David. >>>>> >>>>> It is worth noting that MFW has kept this document off their website. >>>>> Strictly speaking you're right about the "President" thing, which I'd >>>>> forgotten about--but it's really a technicality, as the title doesn't >>>>> bring >>>>> any special powers. George was not elected to this or any other position, >>>>> but was . As I recall it, after Howard stepped down, a member-consensus >>>>> decision was made to keep the director off the board, and to have the ED >>>>> be >>>>> appointed by the board. All of which makes good sense, especially given >>>>> everything that had transpired during the latter phase of the Gutenplan >>>>> period, though this emergency measure should have been ratified by a >>>>> timely >>>>> revision of the bylaws. So "President" here is just an honorific--same >>>>> term, different meaning--so that the board looks the way boards are >>>>> supposed to look. >>>>> >>>>> If only the board had acted the way a board's supposed to act. >>>>> >>>>> One other quibble, David: the verb: "to Gerrymander" implies that >>>>> elections are in fact taking place. The *mot juste* would have been >>>>> "to steal." >>>>> >>>>> *** >>>>> >>>>> George, >>>>> >>>>> I didn't receive your email as you didn't send one to me. Apparently >>>>> the fact that I don't agree with your failure to follow MFW's bylaws means >>>>> that I'm not to be counted a "Friend" of Millennium--or is it simply a >>>>> friend of yours? My partner, Stephanie Wuertz--who previously occupied >>>>> your >>>>> office--did receive a copy but deleted it, wanting nothing to do with MFW >>>>> ever again. Another life you've touched. The email is, of course, also >>>>> posted on an orphan page on your site. How could I have missed that? >>>>> >>>>> Your texts are, needless to say, mendacious in the extreme. Millennium >>>>> didn't pack up shop because the MoMA money was late. Millennium sank >>>>> because you and PK were incapable of providing financial information to go >>>>> with the grant narratives I wrote for you. When you did finally massage >>>>> the >>>>> books into order, I'm pretty sure it involved making some shit up, in >>>>> particular Jay Hudson's undocumented ATM withdrawals. >>>>> >>>>> Your claim to transparency is belied by the fact that nobody knows >>>>> what's going on at MFW and next to nobody cares, as well as by a prior >>>>> email from you instructing me 1) not to talk about MFW in public and 2) >>>>> not >>>>> to share "confidential financial and other information without >>>>> authorization," namely PK's insane budget for FY2014. I should note that >>>>> PK >>>>> had himself informed me that all MFW documents--minutes, books, etc.--were >>>>> available to anyone who wanted to see them. And why not?: it belongs to >>>>> its >>>>> members and to the community, and not to you. >>>>> >>>>> If you'd like to have a discussion about Millennium's future, I'd >>>>> encourage you to do so in full view of your constituency, which I'm sure >>>>> you'll agree extends beyond present membership and self-selected >>>>> "friends". >>>>> Here are some places to begin: >>>>> >>>>> Could you put text of MFW's present bylaws on your website--preferably >>>>> not on an orphaned page. >>>>> >>>>> How many active members does MFW presently have? How many of them do >>>>> you consider elligible to vote? How many lapsed members would you consider >>>>> eligible to vote upon renewal? According to what criteria? >>>>> >>>>> How much cash does MFW have on hand? >>>>> >>>>> What are its month-to-month expenses? >>>>> >>>>> What were its FY2014 net income and expenditures, exclusive of the >>>>> MoMA money? >>>>> >>>>> How much income did MFW receive from workshops and equipment rentals >>>>> FY14? How much profit on the same? >>>>> >>>>> Has the board passed any resolutions to compensate Peter Kingsbury? If >>>>> so, for how much? >>>>> >>>>> ON WHAT DATE, IN OCTOBER, IS A MEMBERS MEETING TO BE HELD? >>>>> >>>>> Finally, there is the question of "slander." I was careful to frame >>>>> certain statements speculatively, and in your last email to me you >>>>> enjoined >>>>> me to "desist from broadcasting via Frameworks opinions and >>>>> speculation that are not based on facts." The present opacity of MFW >>>>> makes a necessity of speculation. I do, however, know these people. Lili, >>>>> for instance, attempted to program herself in a Millennium show at the New >>>>> School, with a $200 honorarium for a single film. Steph and I stepped in, >>>>> and those with conflicts of interest were replaced by Jen Reeves and Peter >>>>> Hutton, among others. Lili promptly one-upped herself by having her >>>>> husband >>>>> build Millennium a website. MFW was stuck with unauthorized, recurring, >>>>> exorbitant paypal payments. The website Mark built was so shitty it had to >>>>> be replaced by the current shitty site. >>>>> >>>>> MFW has furnished me with many more interesting anecdotes. And I >>>>> should note I have been a model of restraint insofar as I have not >>>>> contacted or the NY arts press, regulatory bodies, or your prospective >>>>> funders. That stance is subject to revision. >>>>> >>>>> Yours in cinema >>>>> >>>>> Sasha Janerus >>>>> >>>>> PS I have a sneaking suspicion certain phrases in the trash you've >>>>> been sending out as "Outreach Coordinator" were derived, consciously or >>>>> not, from the grants and other fluff I wrote. It's the sort of vague, >>>>> pseudo-descriptive language that is meant to sound inspiring when the >>>>> situation is anything but. >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 10:08 PM, David Baker <dbak...@hvc.rr.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Dear Mr. Spencer, >>>>>> >>>>>> Your skill as an Outreach Coordinator is certainly evident. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I mean no disrespect in asking who designated you President of >>>>>> Millennium Film Workshop? >>>>>> As I read the bylaws (with which Howard Guttenplan was wrested >>>>>> from his long time role as Executive Director), it stipulates in >>>>>> Article I #2, >>>>>> the President is to be voted on by the membership. >>>>>> I have no recollection of this election occurring in regards to you >>>>>> holding this office. >>>>>> Is it possible I missed this important event? >>>>>> Perhaps I am in some way mistaken. >>>>>> It is my understanding that the original bylaws are applicable >>>>>> until the membership chooses to ratify a new set of bylaws. >>>>>> Is this not the case? >>>>>> >>>>>> Attached are the original bylaws as they were sent to me by Jay >>>>>> Hudson on 9/21/11. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I do not think Sasha Janerus is alone in the perception that this >>>>>> venerable institution has been gerrymandered by a coterie of insiders >>>>>> bent on personal >>>>>> enrichment of one sort or another. >>>>>> This may in part explain the precipitous decline in Millennium's >>>>>> membership from last year's 89 to the current 40 active members >>>>>> >>>>>> (as I count them on this recent list, >>>>>> http://millenniumfilm.org/memberlist/ ) >>>>>> >>>>>> I would very much appreciate a response from you here in this forum. >>>>>> Herein I also appreciate Jonathan Walley's caring constructive words >>>>>> as they pertain to this matter. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thank you, >>>>>> >>>>>> David Baker >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sep 27, 2015, at 8:55 PM, George Spencer wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi, fellow experimental film enthusiasts- >>>>>> >>>>>> The great institution of Millennium Film Workshop, which over 49 >>>>>> years has done much to support the development of artists cinema, has >>>>>> been >>>>>> under financial threat since 2011. Our governing board, executive >>>>>> director, and volunteer staff have struggled in extremely difficult >>>>>> circumstances not only to maintain our workshops, screenings, film >>>>>> journal, >>>>>> and equipment access programs, but to restructure our governance and >>>>>> operations. >>>>>> >>>>>> THESE are the questions some of you are asking on FRAMEWORKS, and >>>>>> here is MFW's reply: >>>>>> >>>>>> *- Is there any foundation to the original **allegations** posted on >>>>>> 7/10/15?* >>>>>> NO. Millennium’s finance and operations are transparent, with best >>>>>> practices internal controls. Its board wholly supports and appreciates >>>>>> the >>>>>> work of its Executive Director, Peter Kingsbury, who will step down on >>>>>> October >>>>>> 31. Accusations against a public service non-profit such as >>>>>> Millennium are a disservice to the experimental cinema community; and >>>>>> slander >>>>>> against individuals is morally repugnant and a violation of the >>>>>> Frameworks >>>>>> terms of service. >>>>>> >>>>>> *- Is there a more objective account of what’s gone on at Millennium >>>>>> that we might be able to read and discuss?* >>>>>> A “status update” letter emailed by the board to our Members and >>>>>> Friends on 7/23/15 provides some perspective on recent developments. It >>>>>> can be found at: millenniumfilm.org/boardupdate >>>>>> >>>>>> *- Is there anything we could do to improve things? To intervene? * >>>>>> >>>>>> YES, YOU CAN HELP IN MANY WAYS. >>>>>> 1. Become a member or supporting member via our web-site: >>>>>> millenniumfilm.org/membershipandsupport/ >>>>>> 2. Join our email list at millenniumfilm.org to get news and program >>>>>> announcements. >>>>>> 3. Come to our screenings, currently being held at Spectacle Theater >>>>>> in Williamsburg Brooklyn. See the schedule at: >>>>>> spectacletheater.com/millenium-film-workshop-at-spectacle/ >>>>>> 4. Subscribe to the Millennium Film Journal at mfj-online.org >>>>>> <http://www.mfj-online.org/> >>>>>> 5. Attend our Members & Friends Informational Meeting on Wednesday >>>>>> 10/7 at 7:00 pm at Brooklyn Fireproof (119 Ingraham Street, >>>>>> Brooklyn, NY 11237 -two blocks from Morgan Ave stop on the “L” subway). >>>>>> Learn about our organizational restructuring and plans for the future. >>>>>> Contribute ideas and volunteer some time. >>>>>> 6. Finally, and most importantly, “Take a Turn for Millennium”. Make >>>>>> a short term volunteer commitment (see >>>>>> <http://www.millenniumfilm.org/volunteer>millennium >>>>>> <http://millenniumfilm.org/takeaturn>film.org/volunteer). >>>>>> Millennium’s restructuring and transformation over the last few years has >>>>>> been difficult and frustrating work by a very small number of filmmakers >>>>>> who believe in its promise and potential. We have made significant >>>>>> progress toward “the new Millennium”. But to get there *we urgently >>>>>> need volunteers *to perform simple but necessary tasks in the next >>>>>> few months to sustain our screenings, workshops, film journal, and >>>>>> equipment access programs. >>>>>> >>>>>> *- What’s happening right now?* >>>>>> >>>>>> We are planning workshops, programs, and fundraising in celebration >>>>>> of Millennium50, our fiftieth year. We are searching for a new Executive >>>>>> Director. We are working with our lawyers to finish our new Bylaws, >>>>>> which >>>>>> will improve Millennium’s governance and support, and enhance member >>>>>> participation. After their approval by members, we will hold elections >>>>>> for >>>>>> our new expanded governing board. In preparation for elections, we are >>>>>> defining the diverse knowledge, skills, and experience we will need on >>>>>> our >>>>>> new board, and our expectations for candidates. We will ask members and >>>>>> friends for candidate recommendations, and ask people to serve. Finally, >>>>>> we are asking people to volunteer, to “Take a Turn for Millennium” (see >>>>>> <http://www.millenniumfilm.org/volunteer>millenniumfilm.org/ >>>>>> <http://millenniumfilm.org/takeaturn>volunteer). >>>>>> >>>>>> This email list serves parties interested in the cinema art. Please >>>>>> join, volunteer, or otherwise show your support for Millennium, an >>>>>> organization that has effectively supported that art for nearly a half >>>>>> century. Encourage others to become involved. You will be revitalized >>>>>> by >>>>>> personal interchange with others of like mind, and your own cinema >>>>>> practice will be supported by becoming part of our community. MFW >>>>>> continues to be a place where the passion and expression of >>>>>> hands-on, personal cinema, is studied, nurtured, and celebrated. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> >>>>>> George Spencer, >>>>>> President, Millennium Film Workshop >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> FrameWorks mailing list >>>>>> FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com >>>>>> https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> FrameWorks mailing list >>>>>> FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com >>>>>> https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> FrameWorks mailing list >>>>> FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com >>>>> https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> FrameWorks mailing list >>>>> FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com >>>>> https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> FrameWorks mailing list >>>> FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com >>>> https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> FrameWorks mailing list >>> FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com >>> https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> FrameWorks mailing list >>> FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com >>> https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> FrameWorks mailing list >> FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com >> https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> FrameWorks mailing list >> FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com >> https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks >> >> > > > -- > Elizabeth > _______________________________________________ > FrameWorks mailing list > FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com > https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks > > > _______________________________________________ > FrameWorks mailing list > FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com > https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks > > > > _______________________________________________ > FrameWorks mailing list > FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com > https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks > >
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