Agreed. Peace.

Tim

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On Jun 26, 2016, at 2:26 PM, Fred Camper 
<f...@fredcamper.com<mailto:f...@fredcamper.com>> wrote:


Cancel my last post. It's been pointed out that you were not replying to me, 
sorry. I don't need to get more involved in all this!

Fred Camper
Chicago

On 6/26/2016 2:42 PM, Gutenko, Gregory wrote:
Provocation.  Works for Trump.  But so far we had not been directed to any 
clips of "streaky-lights car POV" footage prior to 1975.  That's why the 
question is out there.  Happy to revise when 'fact-checked'.

     /
<  DV  >  Gregory Gutenko
     /



On Jun 26, 2016, at 2:04 PM, Francisco Torres 
<<mailto:fjtorre...@gmail.com>fjtorre...@gmail.com<mailto:fjtorre...@gmail.com>>
 wrote:

If you are not sure it was the ''first time ever'' why claim it in the Vimeo 
video?

2016-06-26 14:17 GMT-04:00 Tim Halloran 
<televis...@hotmail.com<mailto:televis...@hotmail.com>>:
Cranky Camper.

Regardless, a pretty cool little film Gregory.

Tim

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On Jun 26, 2016, at 9:08 AM, Fred Camper 
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wrote:


The question of who was first with an  effect is the most unanswerable question 
in film history. You would have to see every film ever made, including all the 
ones that have been lost, to answer it.

Even if you could answer it, what would the answer mean?

Perhaps the first was a 1937 film by an amateur filmmaker in Finland that no 
one ever saw. So what would that fact signify? Even if "Koyaanisqatsi" 
"popularized" the effect, does that mean that every subsequent use of it was a 
result? Surely there are filmmakers since who discovered it on their own. If 
you are filming a car ride with a camera with single framing, it's kind of an 
obvious thing to try.

I'm pretty sure I've seen this in lesser known "experimental" films of the 
1960s.

Personally, I hope no one tries it again (just kidding, but not completely).

Fred Camper
Chicago

On 6/26/2016 10:42 AM, Gutenko, Gregory wrote:

Hello All,

A historical question:

What was the first film to do a time-exposed single-frame sequence from a 
car/driver POV?  Koyaanisqatsi popularized the effect in 1983, but when was it 
first done?  I worked on a student film in 1975 called Nervous on the Road that 
featured this technique at mid-point, but surely we weren't the first, were we? 
 You can check a very compressed file of Nervous out on Vimeo at
https://vimeo.com/25296928

When we did this we were going for the slit-scan look of the stargate sequence 
from 2001, but that was an animation process and we were doing real-world 
cinematography with a wind-up Bolex.  It won an award at a film festival in 
1997 and was broadcast over four midwest PBS stations in 1980 and not shown 
since.

So who originated this effect?

Gregory Gutenko



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