All I know is that I had a lot of fun making a film with old ticket punches and black leader.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4atEmXsA92A > On Aug 22, 2020, at 10:59 AM, Myron Ort <[email protected]> wrote: > > https://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Phi_phenomenon > <https://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Phi_phenomenon> > > > >> On Aug 22, 2020, at 10:58 AM, Myron Ort <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Didn’t the Gestalt psychology movement deal with this phenomenon. >> >> "Gestalt principles of movement perception >> In 1912 Wertheimer discovered the phi phenomenon, an optical illusion in >> which stationary objects shown in rapid succession, transcending the >> threshold at which they can be perceived separately, appear to move. ... …is >> referred to as the phi phenomenon.” >> >> https://www.psychologynoteshq.com/phi-phenomenon-and-psychology/ >> <https://www.psychologynoteshq.com/phi-phenomenon-and-psychology/> >> >> >> >>> On Aug 22, 2020, at 10:52 AM, Santiago Fernandez <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> >>> Bernie, >>> >>> As far as I understand Deleuze, one of the few exceptions he does while >>> following Bergson is that Bergson can’t or is unwilling to accept the image >>> movement as illusion,Bergson can’t let go the machination that creates it; >>> Deleuze says if it’s percieved as movement - wether one is aware of the >>> trickery or not - it is image movement. Otherwise, Deleuze wouldn’t have >>> any thesis at all. >>> >>> Enviado desde mi iPhone >>> >>>> El 22 ago 2020, a la(s) 12:28, Michael Betancourt >>>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> >>>> escribió: >>>> >>>> Hi Bernard, >>>> >>>> What do you mean by Deleuze then? >>>> >>>> It's very easy to reject or deny what someone else says when you haven't >>>> explained your view yet. How about you explain it yourself? >>>> >>>> Michael >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Michael Betancourt, Ph.D >>>> https://michaelbetancourt.com <https://michaelbetancourt.com/> >>>> cell 305.562.9192 >>>> https://www.amazon.com/Michael-Betancourt/e/B01H3QILT0/ >>>> <https://www.amazon.com/Michael-Betancourt/e/B01H3QILT0/> >>>> Sent from my phone >>>> >>>>> On Aug 22, 2020, at 1:19 PM, Bernard Roddy <[email protected] >>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> proofing my post: >>>>> >>>>> 'It's as if the lab protects the writer from philosophy.' >>>>> >>>>> 'Now, all these tests [. . .]" >>>>> >>>>> Bernie >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Aug 22, 2020 at 12:13 PM Bernard Roddy <[email protected] >>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>> Hi Pip: >>>>> >>>>> The perceptual experiments you describe don't seem to me to be necessary. >>>>> We already have the moving image of cinema. What I have noticed, however, >>>>> is that there is an attraction to the various lab studies. And this will >>>>> be of particular interest for "experimental" animation. >>>>> >>>>> One of the things I am a little impatient with is this continual >>>>> observation that Delueze is somehow not saying anything about whatever we >>>>> want to identify as this "phi phenomenon." It's as if the lab protests >>>>> the writer from philosophy. All I have to do is open these first pages of >>>>> Deleuze to see that his thinking begins with broader questions than some >>>>> sort of film history. >>>>> >>>>> You write that "Deleuze rejects the notion that motion is an illusion >>>>> created from stills [. . .]." The very reliance on illusion, as far as I >>>>> can tell, has no relevance in what I understand of Deleuze. So, in a >>>>> sense, I can agree. But this point doesn't shed any light on what Deleuze >>>>> thinks. (I don't think A Thousand Plateaus is a reference.) >>>>> >>>>> No, all these details about tests with lights going on and off reminds me >>>>> of Bergson, who is also reading that kind of research, or what we would >>>>> today call cognitive science (only it's usually involving people who have >>>>> suffered injury of some kind and can thus provide a case study without >>>>> any ethical difficulty). >>>>> >>>>> Let's go to this Gary Beydler. I've never heard of him. But the >>>>> description lends itself to what goes for "experiment" in film. And that >>>>> would belong also to what we encounter in psychological research that >>>>> subscribes to the same philosophical orientation. That orientation, if >>>>> I'm not mistaken, is rejected by Deleuze. For one thing, it fails to >>>>> recognize the conception of movement and time that we find in Bergson. >>>>> But we're all pretty versed in these effects, and so (as I see it) we >>>>> present these as the philosophy of relevance. >>>>> >>>>> Deleuze isn't easy. But he's damn interesting, and this is in part >>>>> because he'll formulate all these notions of images to talk about changes >>>>> over the history of narrative cinema (he's selective, and says this >>>>> history doesn't include all the screen work we might be paying for). >>>>> >>>>> (And I signed on to open a thought about the avant-garde.) >>>>> >>>>> Bernie >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> - - - - - >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> FrameWorks mailing list >>>>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>>>> https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks >>>>> <https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> FrameWorks mailing list >>>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>>> https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks >>>> <https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> FrameWorks mailing list >>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>> https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks >> >> _______________________________________________ >> FrameWorks mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks > > _______________________________________________ > FrameWorks mailing list > [email protected] > https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
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