So, in plain English if I buy a PC under this scheme even if it is blank with no OS from a shop I will only be able to install Windows on it and not any other OS either alone or dual boot?
Sounds worse than China's Green Dam internet censorship. Andrew On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 10:00 PM, < [email protected]> wrote: > Send Free-software-melb mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://lists.softwarefreedom.com.au/mailman/listinfo/free-software-melb > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [email protected] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [email protected] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Free-software-melb digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Output of SFD workshop: code sharing (Ben Sturmfels) > 2. Re: Output of SFD workshop: code sharing (Patrick Sunter) > 3. Re: Output of SFD workshop: code sharing (Alexander) > 4. Microsoft requires Windows 8 logo systems to not boot > unsigned OS's (Chris Samuel) > 5. Re: Microsoft requires Windows 8 logo systems to not boot > unsigned OS's (George Patterson) > 6. Re: Microsoft requires Windows 8 logo systems to not boot > unsigned OS's (Dennis K) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 11:49:36 +1000 > From: Ben Sturmfels <[email protected]> > To: Alex Fraser <[email protected]> > Cc: Melbourne Free Software Interest Group > <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [free-software-melb] Output of SFD workshop: code sharing > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Hi Alex, > > I've typed up the notes from the code sharing workshop at Software > Freedom Day: > > http://wiki.freesoftware.asn.au/contributingAtWork > > (I don't have Minh or Glenn's contact details though.) > > Cheers, > Ben > > On 09/17/2011 06:48 PM, Alex Fraser wrote: > > Hi Lev et al, > > > > Thanks for a great Software Freedom Day! > > > > The discussion in the Code Sharing workshop revolved around how to > > share code in a corporate setting. Occasionally the discussion drifted > > to encouraging the general adoption of FOSS, but we always came back > > to the topic of development. We identified a need for a set of > > arguments in favour of code contributions that could be presented to > > an employer or client, and then discussed what those arguments should > > be. We also identified a need for a generic FOSS contribution clause > > that can be included in client agreements. > > > > == Action Items == > > 1. Rodney B: Search for an existing guide (page listing similar > > arguments), by the 1st of October. > > 2. Ben S, Glenn M: Use our notes to contribute to the guide found in > > 1. or start a new page at wiki.freesoftware.asn.au, by the 1st of > > November. > > 3. Alex F, Minh N: Look in to crowd funding options (e.g. > > Kickstarter) to pay for legal work (which may be carried out by > > Brendan Scott), by the 1st of November. > > > > That's as far as we got, but presumably more actions will stem from > those. > > > > Thanks again, > > Alex > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 14:00:51 +1000 > From: Patrick Sunter <[email protected]> > To: Melbourne Free Software Interest Group > <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [free-software-melb] Output of SFD workshop: code sharing > Message-ID: > <calokyxvurfivkygguucrk4o3zoo6bwxxfyrq4pgijumfoqm...@mail.gmail.com > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 11:49 AM, Ben Sturmfels <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Hi Alex, > > > > I've typed up the notes from the code sharing workshop at Software > Freedom > > Day: > > > > http://wiki.freesoftware.asn.au/contributingAtWork > > > > (I don't have Minh or Glenn's contact details though.) > > > > On this subject I recently came across the free culture book Producing > Open Source software, by Karl Fogel (one of the lead devs of the > Subversion RCS): http://producingoss.com/ > > I recommend it in general for FOSS development, he also has some > things to say about contributions from commercial organisations, such > as http://producingoss.com/en/money-vs-love.html . > > Perhaps a 'references' section on that Wiki page would be good for this? > > -- Pat. > > > Cheers, > > Ben > > > > On 09/17/2011 06:48 PM, Alex Fraser wrote: > >> > >> Hi Lev et al, > >> > >> Thanks for a great Software Freedom Day! > >> > >> The discussion in the Code Sharing workshop revolved around how to > >> share code in a corporate setting. Occasionally the discussion drifted > >> to encouraging the general adoption of FOSS, but we always came back > >> to the topic of development. We identified a need for a set of > >> arguments in favour of code contributions that could be presented to > >> an employer or client, and then discussed what those arguments should > >> be. We also identified a need for a generic FOSS contribution clause > >> that can be included in client agreements. > >> > >> == Action Items == > >> ?1. Rodney B: Search for an existing guide (page listing similar > >> arguments), by the 1st of October. > >> ?2. Ben S, Glenn M: Use our notes to contribute to the guide found in > >> 1. or start a new page at wiki.freesoftware.asn.au, by the 1st of > >> November. > >> ?3. Alex F, Minh N: Look in to crowd funding options (e.g. > >> Kickstarter) to pay for legal work (which may be carried out by > >> Brendan Scott), by the 1st of November. > >> > >> That's as far as we got, but presumably more actions will stem from > those. > >> > >> Thanks again, > >> Alex > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Free-software-melb mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.softwarefreedom.com.au/mailman/listinfo/free-software-melb > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 14:41:54 +1000 > From: Alexander <[email protected]> > To: Melbourne Free Software Interest Group > <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [free-software-melb] Output of SFD workshop: code sharing > Message-ID: > <cal1-yvpvitysorhfjk3wvgvp4+whts7xe74qdyzfm9xvmkc...@mail.gmail.com > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hi Ben, > > Thanks. > On Sep 21, 2011 11:50 AM, "Ben Sturmfels" <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Alex, > > > > I've typed up the notes from the code sharing workshop at Software > > Freedom Day: > > > > http://wiki.freesoftware.asn.au/contributingAtWork > > > > (I don't have Minh or Glenn's contact details though.) > > > > Cheers, > > Ben > > > > On 09/17/2011 06:48 PM, Alex Fraser wrote: > >> Hi Lev et al, > >> > >> Thanks for a great Software Freedom Day! > >> > >> The discussion in the Code Sharing workshop revolved around how to > >> share code in a corporate setting. Occasionally the discussion drifted > >> to encouraging the general adoption of FOSS, but we always came back > >> to the topic of development. We identified a need for a set of > >> arguments in favour of code contributions that could be presented to > >> an employer or client, and then discussed what those arguments should > >> be. We also identified a need for a generic FOSS contribution clause > >> that can be included in client agreements. > >> > >> == Action Items == > >> 1. Rodney B: Search for an existing guide (page listing similar > >> arguments), by the 1st of October. > >> 2. Ben S, Glenn M: Use our notes to contribute to the guide found in > >> 1. or start a new page at wiki.freesoftware.asn.au, by the 1st of > >> November. > >> 3. Alex F, Minh N: Look in to crowd funding options (e.g. > >> Kickstarter) to pay for legal work (which may be carried out by > >> Brendan Scott), by the 1st of November. > >> > >> That's as far as we got, but presumably more actions will stem from > those. > >> > >> Thanks again, > >> Alex > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Free-software-melb mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.softwarefreedom.com.au/mailman/listinfo/free-software-melb > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.softwarefreedom.com.au/pipermail/free-software-melb/attachments/20110921/00869f7d/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 14:55:15 +1000 > From: Chris Samuel <[email protected]> > To: Melbourne Free Software Interest Group > <[email protected]> > Subject: [free-software-melb] Microsoft requires Windows 8 logo > systems to not boot unsigned OS's > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > This looks like something to keep an eye on.. Matthew > Garrett (the guy who makes peoples laptops work with Linux > and has to deal with EFI & Linux - makes you wonder what > awful thing he did in a past life) writes about a worrying > requirement for Windows 8 logo certification for hardware > vendors.. > > http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/5552.html > > # Microsoft requires that machines conforming to the > # Windows 8 logo program and running a client version > # of Windows 8 ship with secure boot enabled. The two > # alternatives here are for Windows to be signed with > # a Microsoft key and for the public part of that key > # to be included with all systems, or alternatively for > # each OEM to include their own key and sign the > # pre-installed versions of Windows. The second approach > # would make it impossible to run boxed copies of Windows > # on Windows logo hardware, and also impossible to install > # new versions of Windows unless your OEM provided a new > # signed copy. The former seems more likely. > # > # A system that ships with only OEM and Microsoft keys will > # not boot a generic copy of Linux. > > > > -- > Chris Samuel : http://www.csamuel.org/ : Melbourne, VIC > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 17:41:01 +1000 > From: George Patterson <[email protected]> > To: Melbourne Free Software Interest Group > <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [free-software-melb] Microsoft requires Windows 8 logo > systems to not boot unsigned OS's > Message-ID: > <calmtgw9oyroyoit-g9vzvbr1cxc_xqvytaobrsug7s2nngk...@mail.gmail.com > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > On 21 September 2011 14:55, Chris Samuel <[email protected]> wrote: > > This looks like something to keep an eye on.. ?Matthew > > Garrett (the guy who makes peoples laptops work with Linux > > and has to deal with EFI & Linux - makes you wonder what > > awful thing he did in a past life) writes about a worrying > > requirement for Windows 8 logo certification for hardware > > vendors.. > > > > http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/5552.html > > > > # Microsoft requires that machines conforming to the > > # Windows 8 logo program and running a client version > > # of Windows 8 ship with secure boot enabled. The two > > # alternatives here are for Windows to be signed with > > # a Microsoft key and for the public part of that key > > # to be included with all systems, or alternatively for > > # each OEM to include their own key and sign the > > # pre-installed versions of Windows. The second approach > > # would make it impossible to run boxed copies of Windows > > # on Windows logo hardware, and also impossible to install > > # new versions of Windows unless your OEM provided a new > > # signed copy. The former seems more likely. > > # > > # A system that ships with only OEM and Microsoft keys will > > # not boot a generic copy of Linux. > > > > Ahhh Trusted (read Treacherous) Computing. I thought that idea was > buried years ago. I guess the question will be, will the purchaser of > the hardware be able to install a non-Microsoft OS? If not, I'm not > sure who the hardware owner is under this model. Will we be reduced to > mod-chipping "our" PCs in another five years. > > On another note, what have the white boxes or build it yourself? > > Regards > > > George > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 19:00:56 +1000 > From: Dennis K <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [free-software-melb] Microsoft requires Windows 8 logo > systems to not boot unsigned OS's > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > On 09/21/2011 05:41 PM, George Patterson wrote: > > On 21 September 2011 14:55, Chris Samuel <[email protected]> wrote: > >> This looks like something to keep an eye on.. Matthew > >> Garrett (the guy who makes peoples laptops work with Linux > >> and has to deal with EFI & Linux - makes you wonder what > >> awful thing he did in a past life) writes about a worrying > >> requirement for Windows 8 logo certification for hardware > >> vendors.. > >> > >> http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/5552.html > >> > >> # Microsoft requires that machines conforming to the > >> # Windows 8 logo program and running a client version > >> # of Windows 8 ship with secure boot enabled. The two > >> # alternatives here are for Windows to be signed with > >> # a Microsoft key and for the public part of that key > >> # to be included with all systems, or alternatively for > >> # each OEM to include their own key and sign the > >> # pre-installed versions of Windows. The second approach > >> # would make it impossible to run boxed copies of Windows > >> # on Windows logo hardware, and also impossible to install > >> # new versions of Windows unless your OEM provided a new > >> # signed copy. The former seems more likely. > >> # > >> # A system that ships with only OEM and Microsoft keys will > >> # not boot a generic copy of Linux. > >> > > > > Ahhh Trusted (read Treacherous) Computing. I thought that idea was > > buried years ago. I guess the question will be, will the purchaser of > > the hardware be able to install a non-Microsoft OS? If not, I'm not > > sure who the hardware owner is under this model. Will we be reduced to > > mod-chipping "our" PCs in another five years. > > > > On another note, what have the white boxes or build it yourself? > > > > Regards > > > > > > George > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Free-software-melb mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.softwarefreedom.com.au/mailman/listinfo/free-software-melb > > > > Free software is a political concern. > > This is why I emphasise the need to create a demand for independence and > freedom in computing, which is separate from creating a demand for > specific software. > > Focusing on usability, whether "mum" can install Ubuntu etc, is exactly > the attitude which is keeping adoption of Linux still in the single > digit figures (and low single digit figures at that!) on the desktop. > > Controversial statement, I know. But it needs to be said. > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Free-software-melb mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.softwarefreedom.com.au/mailman/listinfo/free-software-melb > > > End of Free-software-melb Digest, Vol 13, Issue 7 > ************************************************* >
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