I wish people would stop refering to beastie as "the old logo" beastie was never a logo. It was simply a mascot, nothing more, nothing less. The closest thing we had to a "logo" was the incorporation of beastie and "FreeBSD: The Power to Serve" which is quite dated and reminds me old the old days far too much. The "New" logo is mainstream, looks clean, has a lot of potential. Of course the new logo doesnt look good in black and white, its a full color logo. its not supposed to look good in grayscale. The person who designed this new concept also provided a 2 color design, which would look fine as black and white. My 2 cents.

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Chad Gross wrote:

I am glad I am not the only one. This logo is in no way, shape, or
form better for FreeBSD compared to the last logo. I mean honestly. I
am a marketing professional and I do not see the "progress" either. I
too enjoy the advancement of FreeBSD when it is actual progress. And I
agree with the above poster, does the logo really need changing? Maybe
it just needs some new marketers... I mean a Fedora, a Penguin, and a
Gecko have been working for Linux. And as a Christian I don't feel
that the old logo was offensive either. At least it had character.
Anyway, just an opinion of a user since 4.0.

Chad M. Gross
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  1. Re: New Logo (stheg olloydson)
  2. Re: New Logo (Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 14:04:11 -0800 (PST)
From: stheg olloydson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: New Logo
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it was said by stanb:

YUK!!!!!!!!!

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U.S. Encouraged by Vietnam Vote - Officials Cite 83% Turnout
Despite Vietcong Terror
- New York Times 9/3/1967
Look on the bright side! Everyone expected this to turn out
badly, and they got more than they expected. Way more.

shudders,

stheg





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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 23:39:49 +0100
From: "Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: New Logo
To: stheg olloydson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: "freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org" <freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org>,
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stheg olloydson wrote:
it was said by stanb:

YUK!!!!!!!!!

--
U.S. Encouraged by Vietnam Vote - Officials Cite 83% Turnout
Despite Vietcong Terror
- New York Times 9/3/1967
Look on the bright side! Everyone expected this to turn out
badly, and they got more than they expected. Way more.

shudders,

stheg

Speak for yourself!
I had great expectations, and I'm very pleased to see the result.
Congratulations to core and the winner of the contest for a job
well done.

'Everyone' does not have a problem with FreeBSD trying to make
progress. I know a lot of people do, but far from everyone.

--
R


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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 17:43:00 -0800
From: "Darlene Forsythe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Linux/Mac OS X Systems Programmer Consultant Needed
To: <freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org>
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Good evening,



I thought that I might ask this group if anyone has a referral for a
consultant with the following skills:



If interested, please feel free to contact me



Darlene Forsythe, PHR

Staffing Consultant

Phone: 408-585-5115

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Web Site: www.omneon.com <http://www.omneon.com/>









Linux/Mac OS X Systems Programmer





Project Description:

Omneon filesystem client port to Macintosh OS X Operating System



The project requires porting the Linux-based Omneon filesystem client to

the Macintosh OS X operating system.  This includes all functionality

featured in the Linux version.  The final software must operate as a

networked filesystem under the OS X kernel.  A performance goal of

40 megabytes per second for file copy operations is required.



Additional work products include detailed project schedule, status
reports,

design documentation, an installation and de-installation system for the

filesystem module, and documentation describing how to install, use and

de-install the filesytem module.





Skills required:

- OS X or FreeBSD/Mach kernel development experience

- Network systems programming

- Filesystem development

- Excellent communication and documentation skills







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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 12:28:28 +1030
From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux/Mac OS X Systems Programmer Consultant Needed
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On Tuesday,  1 November 2005 at 17:43:00 -0800, Darlene Forsythe wrote:
I thought that I might ask this group if anyone has a referral for a
consultant with the following skills:
This list is for advocacy, not jobs.  There's a specific mailing list
for jobs, called, well, [EMAIL PROTECTED]  You're likely to find
interesting candidates there.

Greg
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 18:01:14 -0800
From: "Darlene Forsythe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: Linux/Mac OS X Systems Programmer Consultant Needed
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I apologize for emailing this group..... I have posted to the jobs
listing.  I appreciate your help!

Darlene


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Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 5:58 PM
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Subject: Re: Linux/Mac OS X Systems Programmer Consultant Needed

On Tuesday,  1 November 2005 at 17:43:00 -0800, Darlene Forsythe wrote:
I thought that I might ask this group if anyone has a referral for a
consultant with the following skills:
This list is for advocacy, not jobs.  There's a specific mailing list
for jobs, called, well, [EMAIL PROTECTED]  You're likely to find
interesting candidates there.

Greg
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 19:48:38 -0700
From: Joshua Tinnin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: New Logo
To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], stheg olloydson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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On Tue 1 Nov 05 15:39, "Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
stheg olloydson wrote:
it was said by stanb:
YUK!!!!!!!!!

--
U.S. Encouraged by Vietnam Vote - Officials Cite 83% Turnout
Despite Vietcong Terror
- New York Times 9/3/1967
Look on the bright side! Everyone expected this to turn out
badly, and they got more than they expected. Way more.

shudders,

stheg
Speak for yourself!
I had great expectations, and I'm very pleased to see the result.
Congratulations to core and the winner of the contest for a job
well done.

'Everyone' does not have a problem with FreeBSD trying to make
progress. I know a lot of people do, but far from everyone.
Progress != a new logo. I am always happy to see FreeBSD make progress.
I have no problem with the idea of a new logo, but my hopes were not
high, given that it became a controversial subject. I wasn't going to
say anything, but honestly, I don't like it that much. It looks a bit
dated for an update, and it doesn't do well in black on white - the
font is too thin (and way too art-deco/euro-like) and doesn't seem to
have much to do with the "head" icon. In fact the head and wording seem
as if they were put together as an afterthought. And what's with the
sateen/silk background? Looks like a velvet painting, which is sorta
groovy in a kitchy way, but I don't think that was the intention.

I don't mean to hurt anyone's feelings, and it looks like some work went
into it, but it's too trendy to be memorable and have staying power,
and it's too far behind-the-curve to be trendy. It looks like it's
trying too hard ... I dunno. Just that I get the feeling it will have
to be updated soon to look "modern" again, and it might be better for
FreeBSD to go with a more "classic" look that can withstand changes in
trends. Some logos never have to be - and never should be - updated
(again, I don't think this is one of them), and that's a better idea
for the long run. Just MHO.

- jt


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