On Mon, 9 Jan 2006 08:45:13 -0600
Nikolas Britton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On 1/9/06, Andrew L. Gould <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Mon, 9 Jan 2006 05:32:48 -0600
> > Nikolas Britton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > On 1/8/06, Marc G. Fournier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > On Thu, 5 Jan 2006, Nikolas Britton wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On 1/5/06, Frank Laszlo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Kövesdán Gábor wrote:
> > > > >>> Nikolas Britton wrote:
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>> On 1/4/06, James Cornell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> never mind, I just made one so go sign it!!!
> > > > >>>> http://www.petitiononline.com/flash4me/petition.html
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>> I've signed it and posted it to a Hungarian open-source
> > > > >>> community, but I think it would be nice if somebody from the
> > > > >>> doc team can add it to the news on the website, so I cc'd
> > > > >>> freebsd-doc@, I hope this helps geting Adobe to release a
> > > > >>> working Flash for FreeBSD.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Regards,
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Gabor Kovesdan
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Not to rain on the parade, but since when has one of those
> > > > >> online petitions done any good?
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > > It may be trivial but at least I did something to rectify it.
> > > > > Talking about are problems will get us nowhere unless we also
> > > > > do. Do you have a better plan of action?
> > > >
> > > > The problem is, anyone can sign a petition, even those that
> > > > don't, nor will ever, use the software, which is what makes them
> > > > meaningless :(
> > > >
> > > > You really need to get someone on the inside that is using
> > > > FreeBSD and push from that direction ... unless its a product
> > > > you can pay for, and then you make the dollars speak for you ...
> > >
> > > I make all IT, purchasing, decisions at my company. I suspect most
> > > other senior IT folk also make or have strong influence in,
> > > purchasing, decisions at their company's. What are the
> > > demographics for people who use FreeBSD? I suspect a higher then
> > > normal percentage of senior IT folk make up the ranks. Here's an
> > > excellent example of the point I'm trying to make: Last year my
> > > company wanted to build a flash website. I put my foot down and
> > > said no, not everyone can use or see flash websites. Macromedia
> > > lost a $999 dollar sale.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > What about the FreeBSD Foundation ... maybe something that they
> > > > can organize?
> > >
> > > I'm all for that and other organisations getting involved, maybe
> > > they can actually do something too.
> >
> > How about a campaign where every time a FreeBSD user comes across a
> > Flash website, he/she sends the webmaster an email stating that we
> > can't see their content because Flash is not available for
> > FreeBSD?  I wonder if we could generate a noticeable volume.
> >
> 
> I remember Firefox / Mozilla having a system like this. They had a
> website that you could post / list sites that didn't work with the
> browser, then we would send complaints to the site owners.

Maybe we'll be lucky and gnash will help make this issue moot:

http://www.linuxtoday.com/infrastructure/2006011002026NWSWRL
http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/

There are times I wish I knew more about programming than a few commands
in Python and SQL.

Andrew
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