If politics is when a community had standards it operated by but it showed favoritism not disciplining it's members it thought were more important and allowed them to harass others until they either left or could be accused of breaking not it's rules at time of conflict but this new one they have much more than a political problem. They have a legal problem. They don't own the rights to it's code anymore. Ryan Root
Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone -------- Original message --------From: Conrad Meyer <c...@freebsd.org> Date: 3/3/18 3:25 PM (GMT-08:00) To: John Darrah <timmcgraw...@protonmail.com> Cc: email@example.com, freebsd-curr...@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD has a politics problem John, A good portion of your original email happens to be inaccurate or misleading. In the spirit of good faith discussion, I'm going to assume you're just accidentally misinformed, and not willfully misrepresenting things. So, some corrections and clarifications follow. If you have further questions about the code of conduct, I suggest reaching out to the drafting committee or core directly. They're nice people, they don't bite, and they're happy to help clarify intent and nuance. Thanks. On Sat, Mar 3, 2018 at 2:30 PM, John Darrah <timmcgraw...@protonmail.com> wrote: > FreeBSD recently introduced an updated Code of Conduct that developers and > members must adhere to. There has been much backlash online about it and > about introducing identity politics into a technical OS project in general. > The Code of Conduct was adopted In part, with editorial review and modification by a committee of conscientious project members. > from the "Geek Feminism" wiki's version, > which claims (among other things) that racism against whites doesn't exist, This claim is factually erroneous. The Geek Feminism example anti-harassment policy simply makes no such claim. (Furthermore, criticizing the Geek Feminism document is wholly off-topic for FreeBSD. Our code of conduct is not identical to GF's example policy. The only conduct document relevant to FreeBSD is the one at https://www.freebsd.org/internal/code-of-conduct.html .) > sexism against men doesn't exist, This claim is also objectively absent from the plain language of either document. > and that certain protected classes of > people should not be criticised. Again, this hysterical claim comes from blue sky. > A number of developers, particularly benno@, phk@ and des@, have used racist > and sexist remarks Again, this is a claim made without any evidence. I've briefly re-skimmed the developers discussion on this topic and don't see any examples. (And, this accusation is so far outside of Benno's demeanor as to be completely laughable.) phk@ and des@ have used less conciliatory language but I still do not see any sexist or racist remarks. > against those criticising the far-reaching project policy > change, saying that the concerns about the policy essentially boil down to > "white male privilege" and being "on the wrong side of history". They're entitled to their opinions, as you are. Note that neither des@ nor phk@ sit on or represent the Core team. > Other developers expressed concern about the policy being thrown upon them > with no discussion or debate, as well as The FreeBSD Foundation's choice > to pay an outside person (with donations from the users) to work on the > Code of Conduct's enforcement. The Foundation chooses how to spend donation dollars at its sole discretion. That's the deal with 501(c)(3) charities. If you want to pick and choose how your donated dollars are spent, Linux Foundation is a 501(c)(6). > Said person identifies as a feminist. We don't object to contribution from people who identify as Republican, Catholic, or Pastafarian. Why do you think someone who identifies as a feminist is incapable of doing a good job advising the drafting committee? > Mods on BSD and FreeBSD-related subreddits are censoring posts, removing > threads, and banning users for posting the link. This is a misleading oversimplification. FreeBSD-the-project doesn't control or have any moderation privileges on BSD-topic subreddits. The only active moderator on one of the subreddits (freebsd) isn't even a developer, just some random reddit user who happened to register long ago. Colin Percival happens to have moderation privileges on the other subreddit (BSD), but again, is acting on his personal volition. He does not sit on nor represent the Core team. Most discussions on the code of conduct in both locations have been left in place, despite fairly low quality discussion. (The usual name-calling, spreading of outright FUD, othering, etc etc.) The few posts that have been removed were outright, low-effort trolling. Not any kind of nuanced criticism of the actual code of conduct. Note that links to discussion on the BSD subreddits have been shared in high drama, non-technical subreddits like r/Drama, r/KotakuInAction, and r/SJWHate, likely leading to an influx of users from those other spaces. > Colin Percival is among the mods doing the removal. Colin can speak to what has been moderated. Removed subjects and comments are still easily discovered on reddit archive sites, e.g., https://ceddit.com/r/BSD . You can judge whether anything of value was lost. (I think not, but that's just my opinion.) Clearly, discussion has not been eliminated. There's tons of active "discussion" going on. I don't think it's particularly valuable discourse because the same misrepresentations and outright falsehoods are repeated over and over again, but it certainly hasn't been scrubbed clean by moderators (who are mostly not under control of the project anyway). What has been moderated is largely duplicate threads trying to game reddit's post ordering system to get repeated visibility, or low-effort trolling. > View: > https://privatebin.net/ > > Download: > https://mega.nz/ > https://my.mixtape.moe/ Please do not leak internal, private project emails. Conrad _______________________________________________ firstname.lastname@example.org mailing list https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-advocacy-unsubscr...@freebsd.org" _______________________________________________ email@example.com mailing list https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-advocacy-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"